diff --git a/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/asset.py b/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/asset.py
index 084d6d10..92772c60 100644
--- a/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/asset.py
+++ b/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/asset.py
@@ -66,7 +66,7 @@ node_type_asset = {
         'content_type': {'visible': False},
         'file': {},
         'attachments': {'visible': False},
-        'order': {},
+        'order': {'visible': False},
         'tags': {'visible': False},
         'categories': {'visible': False}
     },
diff --git a/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/group.py b/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/group.py
index 8faab916..b7fea34c 100644
--- a/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/group.py
+++ b/pillar/manage_extra/node_types/group.py
@@ -26,8 +26,8 @@ node_type_group = {
     'form_schema': {
         'url': {'visible': False},
         'status': {},
-        'notes': {},
-        'order': {}
+        'notes': {'visible': False},
+        'order': {'visible': False}
     },
     'permissions': {
     }