Pitchipoy rig, visual representation of keys, don't visible. #50511

System Information
Windows 7, GTX 970

Blender Version
Broken: 2.77, 2.78, and newest from builder.blender.org
Worked: The same.

Short description of error

When keying slider for change between IK/FK, keys aren't visible in DopeSheet, Action Editor, Graph Editor. Animation is working, but You can't slide key's, because they are invisible.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Add Pitchipoy rig. Generate it. Add key to IK/FK slider in N panel. Select just hand bones and it should appear.

Regards,
Kamil.

Changed status to: 'Open'

Added subscriber: @adrian2608

Added subscribers: @BrendonMurphy, @JoshuaLeung

Hrm... this is strange indeed...

What's happening here is that the slider used by the IK slider is in fact defined on a bone on a hidden layer (i.e. "MCH-upper_arm_parent.L") instead of being on the bone that the animator selects. From the name of this bone, it's obvious that this bone is part of the internal mechanisms of the rig, and shouldn't really be shown directly/edited by the animator.

The problem therefore is that the animation editors think that the property belongs to data that is currently being hidden deliberately (e.g. maybe you want to only focus on the facial controls while animating, instead of all the body controls too), so it hides all the channels like this by default, unless explicitly asked to display them.

A workaround is to enable the "Show Hidden Channels" toggle in the animation editors, though that comes with its own problems (i.e. also showing you animation on other channels you may have deliberately hidden).

Resolutions (?):

We could modify the Pitchipoy rig to have it generate another IK slider property on the "hand_fk.L" bone instead, and also generate a driver on the hidden bone that reads this value... However, since I'm not too familiar with this rig, I'm not entirely sure whether this will end up breaking other functionality. Also, it has the downside of likely breaking old files.
@BrendonMurphy - Who's the maintainer of the Pitchipoy stuff?

further discussion here: #48892

I can confirm the bug. Looking if @JoshuaLeung 's fix is breaking something else.

Not sure it's a complete solution tough.
Then if hand_fk is not visible the problem remains. I guess exposing a separate bone at the limb's first bone to handle all the properties is a better idea. This bone can be on both FK and IK rig-layer meaning it's always visibile if at least one of them is.
Will look further into that.

This is fixed in 2.79. Now the property is moved to a visible bone laying at the base of the limb.

New rigs created starting from 2.79 code will work automatically.
Old rigs should be upgraded re-assigning the rigify-types property in pose mode.

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Added subscriber: @RomboutVersluijs

Sorry for asking here, why does blender documentation talk about v 0.5 while blender comes with v0.4?

@RomboutVersluijs
Rigify 0.5 is bundled with blender 2.79. The documentation is referred to the upcoming 2.79 release. Since 0.5 is a major change and the old rigify was never documented and its code is going to be deprecated anyway, we decided to refer the documentation explicitly to Rigify 0.5.
If you want to test it grab your test build here: Blender 2.79 RC1

btw this wasn't the right place to ask.

cheers,
Ivan

Thanks! Sorry about the fuzz. But a little text there cant do harm. Know i went searching and searching, when i could have a little piece of text saying "this documentation is for the upcoming 2.79".

@RomboutVersluijs, maybe you missed the first lines of the page. There's a header that states the version of the add-on and the blender release.
.

Sorry but what page are you talking about? I think your talking about inside pages. Go check the link in the addon in lbender and see what info is there

@RomboutVersluijs is the official rigify wiki page and, as i wrote previously, there's no other one since it documented for the first time in 0.5. Please look further before posting next time. And stop posting here if your question is not relevant to the topic and you already had support.

i'll post again the useful information you already had in the previous post in case you missed it:

In #50511#449663, @icappiello wrote:
@RomboutVersluijs
Rigify 0.5 is bundled with blender 2.79. The documentation is referred to the upcoming 2.79 release. Since 0.5 is a major change and the old rigify was never documented and its code is going to be deprecated anyway, we decided to refer the documentation explicitly to Rigify 0.5.
If you want to test it grab your test build here: Blender 2.79 RC1

that page is irrelevant to the the current version, acknowledge it, just saying. I took me quite some time to fin dout out this is coming for 2.79. How hard is to put 1 line on that page. Perhaps it was changed in recent days. But it was not saying blender 2.79 2 days ago. I now see blender 2.79

@RomboutVersluijs, the header was done before the documentation, so the only chance is you missed it.
I think there are only two different scenarios here:

the user has blender2.78 or previous. In this case he can easily see the bundled version is 0.4 and mismatches the documentation header. The documentation and release changelog state also with extreme clarity what's changed in 0.5 (Please Read: What's new in Rigify 0.5) so if the feature you are looking for is in 0.5 updates list he just grab the 2.79 and goes. As long as he can read english i can't see a real problem.
the user has blender2.79 or newer. The problem doesn't exist at all.

I am spending time on this, hoping to leave a trace for other user may have missed that lines too giving them useful information on how to approach to versioning and documentation by themselves, but is my last post on thisOFF-TOPIC thread. I am asking you again to please stop posting here if your question is not relevant to the topic and you already had support.
If you do, you know why you will get no other answers from me.

Cheers,
Ivan

okay i understand. But i think there other uesres out here with the same "problem".

This line perhaps needs to be a bit more clear;
"WARNING!
RIGIFY 0.5 DOCUMENTATION PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING! WILL HOPEFULLY BE FULLY ONLINE BEFORE 2.79 FINAL RELEASE DATE.

Download

What's New

Blender Studio

Manual

Developers Blog

Documentation

Benchmark

Blender Conference

Development Fund

One-time Donations

Pitchipoy rig, visual representation of keys, don't visible. #50511