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opened 2023-05-13 21:28:07 +02:00 by Seth · 18 comments
Seth commented 2023-05-13 21:28:07 +02:00
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Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22621-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 531.79

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Broken: version: 3.6.0 Alpha, branch: main, commit date: 2023-05-14 19:50, hash: 1ad4f67d7802

NOTE: not 100% sure about this:

Short description of error
Blender hard crashes loading blend file '1701A-FiringForward'.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

  • Download and extract attached files,
  • Go to .\TrekProject\Scenes and open 1701A-FiringForward.blend.

I suspect that library overrides are the issue, as I'm linking quite a bit and the blend file has two ancestors, one with the ship, one with the base scene.

Uploaded to OneDrive for now: https://1drv.ms/u/s!An9SjZwRpNLmg50Vsn1BM2EmrrDbTg?e=9nrANr
See the third post for why.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22621-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 531.79 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.6.0 Alpha, branch: main, commit date: 2023-05-14 19:50, hash: `1ad4f67d7802` NOTE: not 100% sure about this: - first there was a fix between good 27e2b32a06 and bad 8703db393b - then this broke again between good 07ae1feed2 and bad ca2c0da79e **Short description of error** Blender hard crashes loading blend file '1701A-FiringForward'. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** - Download and extract attached files, - Go to `.\TrekProject\Scenes` and open `1701A-FiringForward.blend`. I suspect that library overrides are the issue, as I'm linking quite a bit and the blend file has two ancestors, one with the ship, one with the base scene. Uploaded to OneDrive for now: [https://1drv.ms/u/s!An9SjZwRpNLmg50Vsn1BM2EmrrDbTg?e=9nrANr](https://1drv.ms/u/s!An9SjZwRpNLmg50Vsn1BM2EmrrDbTg?e=9nrANr) See the third post for why.
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Iliya Katushenock commented 2023-05-13 21:31:33 +02:00
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Hello, can you attach file?

Hello, can you attach file?
Seth commented 2023-05-13 21:58:07 +02:00
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Apparently there's a bug with that too? It is under 500MB.
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I'm uploading it to my OneDrive for now.

Apparently there's a bug with that too? It is under 500MB. ![image](/attachments/8309f24c-5970-4e22-b7f4-75287f19b877) I'm uploading it to my OneDrive for now.
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Iliya Katushenock commented 2023-05-13 22:00:05 +02:00
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Can you try to attach .blend file?

Can you try to attach .blend file?
Seth commented 2023-05-13 22:20:44 +02:00
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Updated the first post with a download link.

I can't attach a blend file, the issue concerns a group of files with library overrides so I need to share an archive.

Updated the first post with a download link. I can't attach a blend file, the issue concerns a group of files with library overrides so I need to share an archive.
Seth commented 2023-05-14 18:32:28 +02:00
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I can confirm that the single .blend file loads properly in isolation. (without the blend files it links to)
With them, it crashes 100% of the time.

I can confirm that the single .blend file loads properly in isolation. (without the blend files it links to) With them, it crashes 100% of the time.
Germano Cavalcante commented 2023-05-15 22:39:33 +02:00
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I reproduced this bug in the latest official release, but not the latest daily build, so it appears the bug has been fixed already.

Please try the latest daily build: https://builder.blender.org/download/

However, I noticed several warnings like:

WARN (bke.liboverride): D:\BlenderDev\blender\source\blender\blenkernel\intern\lib_override.cc:3113 lib_override_library_main_resync_on_library_indirect_level: Deleting unused ID override MEMesh.003 from library level 1, still found as needing resync, and being isolated from its hierarchy root. This can happen when its otherwise unchanged linked reference was moved around in the library file (e.g. if an object was moved into another sub-collection of the same hierarchy).

And I also noticed several errors like:

ERROR (bke.lib_id): D:\BlenderDev\blender\source\blender\blenkernel\intern\lib_id.c:334 id_us_min: ID user decrement error: OBball_glow (from '[Main]'): 0 <= 0

I'm not sure what they means (@mont29 is this something to be concerned about?)

I reproduced this bug in the latest official release, but not the latest daily build, so it appears the bug has been fixed already. Please try the latest daily build: https://builder.blender.org/download/ However, I noticed several warnings like: ``` WARN (bke.liboverride): D:\BlenderDev\blender\source\blender\blenkernel\intern\lib_override.cc:3113 lib_override_library_main_resync_on_library_indirect_level: Deleting unused ID override MEMesh.003 from library level 1, still found as needing resync, and being isolated from its hierarchy root. This can happen when its otherwise unchanged linked reference was moved around in the library file (e.g. if an object was moved into another sub-collection of the same hierarchy). ``` And I also noticed several errors like: ``` ERROR (bke.lib_id): D:\BlenderDev\blender\source\blender\blenkernel\intern\lib_id.c:334 id_us_min: ID user decrement error: OBball_glow (from '[Main]'): 0 <= 0 ``` I'm not sure what they means (@mont29 is this something to be concerned about?)
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Bastien Montagne commented 2023-05-16 10:13:00 +02:00
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Warning is fine, just (potentially) important debug info for the user since it's deleting some data (CLOG_INFO is not displayed by default in the console, so have to use CLOG_WARN instead when you want to be sure its printed in the console).

Error about ID user count I would not know, would not consider it important enough to investigate half a Gb of data though. While ideally this should never happen, it's usually not critical issue either.

Warning is fine, just (potentially) important debug info for the user since it's deleting some data (CLOG_INFO is not displayed by default in the console, so have to use CLOG_WARN instead when you want to be sure its printed in the console). Error about ID user count I would not know, would not consider it important enough to investigate half a Gb of data though. While ideally this should never happen, it's usually not critical issue either.
Germano Cavalcante commented 2023-05-16 14:55:30 +02:00
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OK, closing then.
Thanks for the feedback.
@VirtusH, as Blender 3.5.1 no longer receives bug fixes, I feel the solution is to use version 3.6 in development for now.

OK, closing then. Thanks for the feedback. @VirtusH, as Blender 3.5.1 no longer receives bug fixes, I feel the solution is to use version 3.6 in development for now.
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Seth commented 2023-05-17 23:40:06 +02:00
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I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but I still can't load the file with the 3.6 Alpha build from today.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but I still can't load the file with the 3.6 Alpha build from today.
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Germano Cavalcante commented 2023-05-18 15:55:30 +02:00
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@VirtusH, the OneDrive file is apparently no longer available
And it's hard to say why the crash only happens to you on 3.6.
Maybe debug logs can help us understand what's going on.
Therefore, please open the installation directory of Blender 3.6 and double click on the blender_debug_gpu.cmd. This will start Blender in debug mode and create log files.
Try to reproduce the error again.
Once it crashes, the Windows Explorer should open and show you up to two files, a debug log and the system information.
Add them to your bug report by clicking on the upload button below or via drag and drop.
Please also upload the crash log located in C:\Users\[your username]\AppData\Local\Temp\[project name].crash.txt (or simply type %TEMP% into the path bar of the Windows Explorer).

@VirtusH, the OneDrive file is apparently no longer available And it's hard to say why the crash only happens to you on 3.6. Maybe debug logs can help us understand what's going on. Therefore, please open the installation directory of Blender 3.6 and double click on the `blender_debug_gpu.cmd`. This will start Blender in debug mode and create log files. Try to reproduce the error again. Once it crashes, the Windows Explorer should open and show you up to two files, a debug log and the system information. Add them to your bug report by clicking on the upload button below or via drag and drop. Please also upload the crash log located in `C:\Users\[your username]\AppData\Local\Temp\[project name].crash.txt` (or simply type `%TEMP%` into the path bar of the Windows Explorer).
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Seth commented 2023-05-18 19:44:59 +02:00
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Onedrive link still works for me.

Onedrive link still works for me.
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Philipp Oeser commented 2023-05-22 14:03:21 +02:00
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So, I can confirm the crash.
I think there is something wrong with a linked scene and overridden camera.

First, I think this can be stripped down considerably (will do)
Then I will need to check if I can repro from scratch (I recall a similar report, lets see if I can find it)

So, I can confirm the crash. I think there is something wrong with a linked scene and overridden camera. First, I think this can be stripped down considerably (will do) Then I will need to check if I can repro from scratch (I recall a similar report, lets see if I can find it)
Philipp Oeser commented 2023-05-22 14:36:16 +02:00
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3.4.1 was bad 3.5.0 and 3.5.1 seem fine for me? Then broke again it seems:

Stripping the file down is really fragile (removing stuff will crash versions again that were previously working...).

So, without stripping it down [which I might look into again], I will still confirm (since I can reliably repro crashes in 3.6 and 4.0)

3.4.1 was bad 3.5.0 and 3.5.1 seem fine for me? Then broke again it seems: - first there was a fix between good 27e2b32a0619 and bad 8703db393bfb - then this broke again between good 07ae1feed2b9 and bad ca2c0da79eeb Stripping the file down is really fragile (removing stuff will crash versions again that were previously working...). So, without stripping it down [which I might look into again], I will still confirm (since I can reliably repro crashes in 3.6 and 4.0)
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Bastien Montagne commented 2023-05-23 16:49:22 +02:00
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Files crash on read-after-freed memory error here with 3.6 debug ASAN build...

But it seems to be fairly badly corrupted, getting these asserts before the crash, which should never ever be triggered:

BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/collection.c:215, collection_owner_pointer_get(), at '(id->tag & LIB_TAG_NO_MAIN) == 0'
BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/collection.c:215, collection_owner_pointer_get(), at '(id->tag & LIB_TAG_NO_MAIN) == 0'
BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/layer.cc:1324, BKE_layer_collection_sync(), at 'first_layer_collection->collection == scene->master_collection'
  ViewLayer's first layer collection should always be the one for the scene's master collection
BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/layer.cc:1324, BKE_layer_collection_sync(), at 'first_layer_collection->collection == scene->master_collection'
  ViewLayer's first layer collection should always be the one for the scene's master collection

So unless we know how such corruption was generated, am afraid we cannot do much here.

Files crash on read-after-freed memory error here with 3.6 debug ASAN build... But it seems to be fairly badly corrupted, getting these asserts before the crash, which should never ever be triggered: ``` BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/collection.c:215, collection_owner_pointer_get(), at '(id->tag & LIB_TAG_NO_MAIN) == 0' BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/collection.c:215, collection_owner_pointer_get(), at '(id->tag & LIB_TAG_NO_MAIN) == 0' BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/layer.cc:1324, BKE_layer_collection_sync(), at 'first_layer_collection->collection == scene->master_collection' ViewLayer's first layer collection should always be the one for the scene's master collection BLI_assert failed: source/blender/blenkernel/intern/layer.cc:1324, BKE_layer_collection_sync(), at 'first_layer_collection->collection == scene->master_collection' ViewLayer's first layer collection should always be the one for the scene's master collection ``` So unless we know how such corruption was generated, am afraid we cannot do much here.
Bastien Montagne commented 2023-05-23 17:54:06 +02:00
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Oooooh.... you are linking and overriding a whole scene here.

This is not really supported currently, looking if I can understand the root of the issue though.

Oooooh.... you are linking and overriding a whole scene here. This is not really supported currently, looking if I can understand the root of the issue though.
Seth commented 2023-05-23 19:57:16 +02:00
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Well I can suggest a workaround for anyone else who encounters this issue at least.
Linking and overriding collections works fine so far for me, and then you can link 'world's separately. I guess rendering settings wouldn't carry over, but that's a minor inconvenience.

This also begs the question why library overrides function on scenes, if they're not intended to be supported. I will definitely avoid doing that from now on.

Well I can suggest a workaround for anyone else who encounters this issue at least. Linking and overriding collections works fine so far for me, and then you can link 'world's separately. I guess rendering settings wouldn't carry over, but that's a minor inconvenience. This also begs the question why library overrides function on scenes, if they're not intended to be supported. I will definitely avoid doing that from now on.
Philipp Oeser commented 2023-05-24 10:09:50 +02:00
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Oooooh.... you are linking and overriding a whole scene here.

This is not really supported currently, looking if I can understand the root of the issue though.

Shift clicking here properly disallows an override
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However, you could still add an override like this:

  • go the Blender File view in the Outliner
  • expand the library file, go to scenes
  • use the context menu on the scene there (Library Override > Make > ...)
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This puts us in a weird state already, should probably be prevented as well?

> Oooooh.... you are linking and overriding a whole scene here. > > This is not really supported currently, looking if I can understand the root of the issue though. Shift clicking here properly disallows an override ![image](/attachments/edd60850-e62d-4b91-a35f-3203ea4f1524) However, you could still add an override like this: - go the Blender File view in the Outliner - expand the library file, go to scenes - use the context menu on the scene there (Library Override > Make > ...) ![image](/attachments/799ad1ca-826a-4de0-b73b-526244671cd0) This puts us in a weird state already, should probably be prevented as well?
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Bastien Montagne commented 2023-05-24 10:24:36 +02:00
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Yes will disable it from the Outliner too indeed... Scenes as overrides is experimental at best, there are a lot worms in this can before it can be considered as fully working.

Still trying to address some of the issues with this file though, the complex dynamics between collection hierarchies and view layers are making it very hard to tame.

Yes will disable it from the Outliner too indeed... Scenes as overrides is experimental at best, there are a lot worms in this can before it can be considered as fully working. Still trying to address some of the issues with this file though, the complex dynamics between collection hierarchies and view layers are making it very hard to tame.
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