Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split #68690

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opened 4 years ago by crantisz · 21 comments

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Operating system: Linux-4.15.0-55-generic-x86_64-with-Ubuntu-18.04-bionic 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 390.116

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Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 1), branch: Unknown, commit date: Unknown Unknown, hash: rBUnknown

Short description of error
Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Look at this:

Снимок экрана от 2019-08-15 14-41-44.png

Cut, Copy and Paste are in one block, so users might think that they perform similar task, because Cut, Copy and Paste in other programs always placed nearby:
Снимок экрана от 2019-08-15 14-41-39.png

In Sony Vegas and Audacity this function called Split, So i think this function in sequencer should be renamed into Split to avoid confusing

**System Information** Operating system: Linux-4.15.0-55-generic-x86_64-with-Ubuntu-18.04-bionic 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 390.116 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 1), branch: Unknown, commit date: Unknown Unknown, hash: `rBUnknown` **Short description of error** Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Look at this: ![Снимок экрана от 2019-08-15 14-41-44.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7665780/Снимок_экрана_от_2019-08-15_14-41-44.png) Cut, Copy and Paste are in one block, so users might think that they perform similar task, because Cut, Copy and Paste in other programs always placed nearby: ![Снимок экрана от 2019-08-15 14-41-39.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7665793/Снимок_экрана_от_2019-08-15_14-41-39.png) In Sony Vegas and Audacity this function called Split, So i think this function in sequencer should be renamed into Split to avoid confusing
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lichtwerk closed this issue 4 years ago
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Thx for pointing out, but to me this doesnt sound like a bug.

  • there is already a separator in the UI between [Cut Hold Cut] and [Copy Paste ...]
  • renaming a tool just because the name is used for different things (in different contexts) does not neccessarily make it better.
  • I mean it could be changed, but that sounds more like a feature request that could go to https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/

I will close this [unless @iss or @WilliamReynish have objections?], thx for the report anyways!

Thx for pointing out, but to me this doesnt sound like a bug. - there is already a separator in the UI between [`Cut` `Hold Cut`] and [`Copy` `Paste` ...] - renaming a tool just because the name is used for different things (in different contexts) does not neccessarily make it better. - I mean it could be changed, but that sounds more like a feature request that could go to https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/ I will close this [unless @iss or @WilliamReynish have objections?], thx for the report anyways!

It’s not a bad point. Split certainly would remove ambiguity here.

It’s not a bad point. Split certainly would remove ambiguity here.

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+1 for split.

For the exact same reasons was Cut renamed to Split(as in separate) in the VSE Reworked Project, and then Cut could be used in the traditional cut/copy/paste sense(as in remove(extract/lift)):
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Nb. on the shortcut, in ex. Premiere Ctrl+K is split active channels and Shift + K is split all channels. This way the industry standard of playing J(reverse), K(stop) and L(forward) can be preserved. Currently it is only K(for cut) which is the way for assigning the industry standard J,K&L playback controls. So maybe it is worth considering assigning Ctrl+K for Split.

+1 for split. For the exact same reasons was Cut renamed to Split(as in separate) in the VSE Reworked Project, and then Cut could be used in the traditional cut/copy/paste sense(as in remove(extract/lift)): ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7667143/image.png) Nb. on the shortcut, in ex. Premiere Ctrl+K is split active channels and Shift + K is split all channels. This way the industry standard of playing J(reverse), K(stop) and L(forward) can be preserved. Currently it is only K(for cut) which is the way for assigning the industry standard J,K&L playback controls. So maybe it is worth considering assigning Ctrl+K for Split.
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lichtwerk reopened this issue 4 years ago
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OKi, lets keep this open then.

OKi, lets keep this open then.
iss commented 4 years ago
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You can rename this, or I want to work in this area soon so I can also.

You can rename this, or I want to work in this area soon so I can also.

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Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world.
Are we building a video editor or a word processor?

Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world. Are we building a video editor or a word processor?

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I just put up a patch: https://developer.blender.org/D5542

Please tell me if I should rename variables and related functions in the source code too.

@StephenSwaney: in video editing programs, the operation can be called splitting clips, and the tool that allows that is the razor tool. It's the case in Olive, and in Adobe Premiere at least, probably in other tools as well.

I just put up a patch: https://developer.blender.org/D5542 Please tell me if I should rename variables and related functions in the source code too. @StephenSwaney: in video editing programs, the operation can be called splitting clips, and the tool that allows that is the razor tool. It's the case in Olive, and in Adobe Premiere at least, probably in other tools as well.

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I always thought it was K for Knife, like the knife tool for performing this sort of operation in the rest of Blender. Would it make sense to call it Knife for consistency?

I always thought it was K for Knife, like the knife tool for performing this sort of operation in the rest of Blender. Would it make sense to call it Knife for consistency?
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@GDQuest : thxfor the patch!

Since this gets positive feedback, I'll confirm this now (to get out of the "Needs Triage" limbo... but change to TODO, since it is not really a bug)

@iss: do you want to add this to {#69190}?

@GDQuest : thxfor the patch! Since this gets positive feedback, I'll confirm this now (to get out of the "Needs Triage" limbo... but change to TODO, since it is not really a bug) @iss: do you want to add this to {#69190}?

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In #68690#757104, @StephenSwaney wrote:
Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world.
Are we building a video editor or a word processor?

  • 1 for slice
    Exactly @stiv. Why not just add the word "make" to it so that it becomes "Make Cut" or "Make Hold Cut". Alternatively, but longer, "Make [Film, Sequence] Cut" or "Make [Film, Sequence] Hold Cut"?
> In #68690#757104, @StephenSwaney wrote: > Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world. > Are we building a video editor or a word processor? - 1 for slice Exactly @stiv. Why not just add the word "make" to it so that it becomes "Make Cut" or "Make Hold Cut". Alternatively, but longer, "Make [Film, Sequence] Cut" or "Make [Film, Sequence] Hold Cut"?
iss commented 3 years ago
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Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'
iss closed this issue 3 years ago
iss commented 3 years ago
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This has been commited already by 819af2094b, so I will close this task

This has been commited already by 819af2094b, so I will close this task
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