Regression: Eevee bad performance when using procedural bump map. #98989

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Thilo Mack · 2022-06-19T16:21:21+02:00

Thilo Mack commented

2022-06-19 16:21:21 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22000-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 472.12

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.2.0, branch: master, commit date: 2022-06-08 10:22, hash: e05e1e3691
Worked: 3.1.2

Caused by 80859a6cb2

Steps to reproduce
#98989.blend

Open file
Play animation
Blender 3.2 will play at ~4x slower framerate than 3.1.2

In addition i am seeing even worse performance when navigating (not reproducible by @iss).

Performance also influence compile times and RAM usage during compilation on AMD GPUs.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22000-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 472.12 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.2.0, branch: master, commit date: 2022-06-08 10:22, hash: `e05e1e3691` Worked: 3.1.2 Caused by 80859a6cb2 **Steps to reproduce** [#98989.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F13221734/T98989.blend) - Open file - Play animation Blender 3.2 will play at ~4x slower framerate than 3.1.2 In addition i am seeing even worse performance when navigating (not reproducible by @iss). Performance also influence compile times and RAM usage during compilation on AMD GPUs.

Thilo Mack commented

2022-06-19 16:21:21 +02:00

Added subscriber: @thilo.mack

blender-admin commented

2022-06-19 16:21:21 +02:00

#99120 was marked as duplicate of this issue

blender-admin commented

2022-06-19 16:21:21 +02:00

#98865 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-06-20 07:10:35 +02:00

Added subscriber: @PratikPB2123

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-06-20 07:10:35 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-06-20 07:10:35 +02:00

Thanks for the report. When does the performance drop occur? When you orbit in viewport? When transforming or editing the object?

Could you please clarify the reproducing steps?

Thanks for the report. When does the performance drop occur? When you orbit in viewport? When transforming or editing the object? Could you please clarify the reproducing steps?

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-06-20 07:33:20 +02:00

Maybe same as #98865

Thilo Mack commented

2022-06-20 20:01:22 +02:00

I noticed the problem while navigating in the viewport. Orbiting, zooming or translating the camera are all slow.
It does get better when i zoom way out. It looks like it depends on how much screen area is occupied by the object.

The fps numbers are from starting the anim player. It's a static scene without any keyframes. But i knew it would give me the fps.
The viewport feels sluggish with or without the animation playing.

About #98865:
I opened up the scene in 3.1.2 and 3.2.0 again to check shader compilation time. I added a new noise texture node and connected it to the base color.
It took about 2-3 seconds in both versions until the viewport updated.
Then i downloaded the the example scene from there and opened it up in both versions.
It behaved pretty much the same as my example for me. No issues compiling the shader, but viewport is really slow in 3.2.0.

Hope that helps!

I noticed the problem while navigating in the viewport. Orbiting, zooming or translating the camera are all slow. It does get better when i zoom way out. It looks like it depends on how much screen area is occupied by the object. The fps numbers are from starting the anim player. It's a static scene without any keyframes. But i knew it would give me the fps. The viewport feels sluggish with or without the animation playing. About #98865: I opened up the scene in 3.1.2 and 3.2.0 again to check shader compilation time. I added a new noise texture node and connected it to the base color. It took about 2-3 seconds in both versions until the viewport updated. Then i downloaded the the example scene from there and opened it up in both versions. It behaved pretty much the same as my example for me. No issues compiling the shader, but viewport is really slow in 3.2.0. Hope that helps!

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-06-23 08:31:57 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Needs Triage'

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-06-23 08:31:57 +02:00

I noticed the problem while navigating in the viewport. Orbiting, zooming or translating the camera are all slow.

Also mentioned in other report. Not sure if it would be appropriate to merge both reports.

> I noticed the problem while navigating in the viewport. Orbiting, zooming or translating the camera are all slow. Also mentioned in other report. Not sure if it would be appropriate to merge both reports.

Richard Antalik commented

2022-06-23 19:58:45 +02:00

Added subscriber: @iss

Richard Antalik commented

2022-06-23 19:58:45 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Richard Antalik commented

2022-06-23 19:58:45 +02:00

I can confirm performance regression, but not quite when changing orientation in any way.

My steps:
#98989.blend

Open file
Play animation

Blender 3.2 will play at ~4x slower framerate than 3.1.2

@thilo.mack can you confirm this? Shall I edit report to these steps?

I can confirm performance regression, but not quite when changing orientation in any way. My steps: [#98989.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F13221734/T98989.blend) - Open file - Play animation Blender 3.2 will play at ~4x slower framerate than 3.1.2 @thilo.mack can you confirm this? Shall I edit report to these steps?

Thilo Mack commented

2022-06-25 11:02:06 +02:00

In #98989#1378835, @PratikPB2123 wrote:

I noticed the problem while navigating in the viewport. Orbiting, zooming or translating the camera are all slow.

Also mentioned in other report. Not sure if it would be appropriate to merge both reports.

@PratikPB2123 Not sure if that is a question directed at me. I am am fine with whatever helps the development team best.
It does seem related to me.

In #98989#1379199, @iss wrote:
My steps:
#98989.blend

Open file

Play animation

Blender 3.2 will play at ~4x slower framerate than 3.1.2

@thilo.mack can you confirm this? Shall I edit report to these steps?

@iss I can confirm your steps. On my system it behaves the same.

In addition i am still seeing the issues when navigating. But let's concentrate on the things that are reproducible.

If you agree with that approach feel free to update the report.

Thanks!

> In #98989#1378835, @PratikPB2123 wrote: >> I noticed the problem while navigating in the viewport. Orbiting, zooming or translating the camera are all slow. > Also mentioned in other report. Not sure if it would be appropriate to merge both reports. @PratikPB2123 Not sure if that is a question directed at me. I am am fine with whatever helps the development team best. It does seem related to me. > In #98989#1379199, @iss wrote: > My steps: > [#98989.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F13221734/T98989.blend) > > # Open file > # Play animation > > Blender 3.2 will play at ~4x slower framerate than 3.1.2 > > @thilo.mack can you confirm this? Shall I edit report to these steps? @iss I can confirm your steps. On my system it behaves the same. In addition i am still seeing the issues when navigating. But let's concentrate on the things that are reproducible. If you agree with that approach feel free to update the report. Thanks!

Richard Antalik commented

2022-07-04 18:02:10 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Confirmed'

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-07-04 19:06:51 +02:00

Added subscribers: @fclem, @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-07-04 19:06:51 +02:00

Caused by 80859a6cb2

CC @fclem

Caused by 80859a6cb2 CC @fclem

Philipp Oeser changed title from ~~eevee bad viewport performance with procedural bump map~~ to Regression: eevee bad viewport performance with procedural bump map

2022-07-04 19:07:22 +02:00

Jacob Merrill commented

2022-07-04 19:23:39 +02:00

Added subscriber: @JacobMerrill-1

Jacob Merrill commented

2022-07-04 19:23:39 +02:00

also currently tangent is always calculated on cpu - this is very slow - could we have the gpu calculate tangents?
(or a checkbox to add this behavior? - theoldben has a addon that makes a node group that does this)

https://github.com/theoldben/BlenderNormalGroups

unsure if working in 3.3x**

also currently tangent is always calculated on cpu - this is very slow - could we have the gpu calculate tangents? (or a checkbox to add this behavior? - theoldben has a addon that makes a node group that does this) https://github.com/theoldben/BlenderNormalGroups unsure if working in 3.3x**

Paweł commented

2022-07-06 19:19:18 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Pawel_Harnaz

Paweł commented

2022-07-06 19:19:18 +02:00

I can confirm. Files made with Blender 3.1.2 work much much slower in 3.2, and 3.3 alpha.
Bumpmaps, and displacement maps seem to cause lower framerate in EEVEE.
Pop!_OS 20.04 LTS, nvidia gtx1070.

I can confirm. Files made with Blender 3.1.2 work much much slower in 3.2, and 3.3 alpha. Bumpmaps, and displacement maps seem to cause lower framerate in EEVEE. Pop!_OS 20.04 LTS, nvidia gtx1070.

Boyd Mouritsen commented

2022-07-22 20:40:05 +02:00

Added subscriber: @boydmouritsen

Boyd Mouritsen commented

2022-07-22 20:40:05 +02:00

Once again, this same commit 80859a6cb2
Can this please get addressed by someone? I know we don't want to have to deal with it, but clearly something needs to change.

Once again, this same commit 80859a6cb2 Can this please get addressed by someone? I know we don't want to have to deal with it, but clearly something needs to change.

Jeroen Bakker commented

2022-07-25 09:30:48 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Jeroen-Bakker

Jeroen Bakker commented

2022-07-25 09:30:48 +02:00

                                         master               v3.0                 v3.1                 v3.2                 
T98989                                   0.1061s              0.0676s              0.0677s              0.1037s

The drop of performance is from 14fps to 9fps (MacMini I5)

Looking at the node graph this is the same cause as described in the comment of #98190.

Bumpmaps could make the cause more visible as the evaluation is run multiple times.

``` master v3.0 v3.1 v3.2 T98989 0.1061s 0.0676s 0.0677s 0.1037s ``` The drop of performance is from 14fps to 9fps (MacMini I5) Looking at the node graph this is the same cause as described in the comment of #98190. Bumpmaps could make the cause more visible as the evaluation is run multiple times.

Boyd Mouritsen commented

2022-08-02 14:15:10 +02:00

I think the performance drop increases even more on older (but still supported) hardware. I believe it is a compiler quirk that can likely be fixed if we approach the optimized branch comparisons a tad differently.

Boyd Mouritsen commented

2022-09-05 18:15:26 +02:00

Is this still being worked on?

Joaquim Berenguer commented

2022-09-11 12:33:56 +02:00

Added subscriber: @QBer

Joaquim Berenguer commented

2022-09-11 12:33:56 +02:00

In Imac Pro with Radeon Pro Vega 58, I have to use 3.1 as since 3.2 (3.3 LTS same problem) procedural textures are a pain in the ass in shader viewport, so slow to load and in some cases just crashes. It does work after very long time loading.
Still working all fine in Blender 3.1.

In Imac Pro with Radeon Pro Vega 58, I have to use 3.1 as since 3.2 (3.3 LTS same problem) procedural textures are a pain in the ass in shader viewport, so slow to load and in some cases just crashes. It does work after very long time loading. Still working all fine in Blender 3.1.

Danil Berezkin commented

2022-09-11 21:27:29 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Dankrou

Danil Berezkin commented

2022-09-11 21:27:29 +02:00

I am ready to confirm the existence of a problem. Personally, I just have a huge difference in performance between the option with the Bump node on and off. I use Blender 3.3. Characteristics of my PC: GTX 1080, i7-6700k. GeForce 516.94 Driver, OS Windows 10 64-bits.

Joaquim Berenguer commented

2022-09-12 10:07:06 +02:00

In #98989#1415291, @Dankrou wrote:
I am ready to confirm the existence of a problem. Personally, I just have a huge difference in performance between the option with the Bump node on and off. I use Blender 3.3. Characteristics of my PC: GTX 1080, i7-6700k. GeForce 516.94 Driver, OS Windows 10 64-bits.

Turning off the bump node really does work and shader works more or less as use to, with one texture is not a huge problem but in a scene still be a real main problem. Thank you for your help.

> In #98989#1415291, @Dankrou wrote: > I am ready to confirm the existence of a problem. Personally, I just have a huge difference in performance between the option with the Bump node on and off. I use Blender 3.3. Characteristics of my PC: GTX 1080, i7-6700k. GeForce 516.94 Driver, OS Windows 10 64-bits. Turning off the bump node really does work and shader works more or less as use to, with one texture is not a huge problem but in a scene still be a real main problem. Thank you for your help.

Joaquim Berenguer commented

2022-09-28 23:47:46 +02:00

Is any one working on this problem? just to know if 3.1 is going to be my last working version for a very long time :(

Miguel Pozo self-assigned this 2022-11-08 17:25:32 +01:00

Jeroen Bakker commented

2022-11-11 09:03:26 +01:00

Added subscribers: @brunocb, @VerdeStudios, @sozap, @AndreasResch, @geocentric_wage, @MACHIN3, @Rodrigo_S.T, @kholo, @persun

Jeroen Bakker commented

2022-11-11 09:03:39 +01:00

Added subscribers: @celticsamurai, @mano-wii, @rjg, @OmarEmaraDev

Jeroen Bakker changed title from ~~Regression: eevee bad viewport performance with procedural bump map~~ to Regression: Eevee bad performance with procedural bump map.

2022-11-11 09:05:21 +01:00

Jeroen Bakker changed title from ~~Regression: Eevee bad performance with procedural bump map.~~ to Regression: Eevee bad performance when using procedural bump map.

2022-11-11 09:07:59 +01:00

MACHIN3 commented

2022-11-11 12:29:59 +01:00

Removed subscriber: @MACHIN3

blender-admin commented

2022-11-14 12:21:37 +01:00

This issue was referenced by a84c92fc73

This issue was referenced by a84c92fc73d3298c1456ffb26c1e73cd67b56e6d

Miguel Pozo commented

2022-11-14 12:24:20 +01:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Miguel Pozo closed this issue

2022-11-14 12:24:20 +01:00

Joaquim Berenguer commented

2022-11-16 12:33:27 +01:00

Please forgive my lack of knowledge of how this works, but in what release should I spect to find this correction?

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-11-16 12:42:24 +01:00

You should be able to grab the fix in a fresh 3.4/3.5 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/
(will be added to a 3.3 build later on as well)

You should be able to grab the fix in a fresh 3.4/3.5 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/ (will be added to a 3.3 build later on as well)

Joaquim Berenguer commented

2022-11-16 15:06:48 +01:00

In #98989#1446793, @lichtwerk wrote:
You should be able to grab the fix in a fresh 3.4/3.5 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/
(will be added to a 3.3 build later on as well)

Great, Thank you

> In #98989#1446793, @lichtwerk wrote: > You should be able to grab the fix in a fresh 3.4/3.5 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/ > (will be added to a 3.3 build later on as well) Great, Thank you

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2023-02-10 11:56:21 +01:00

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Regression: Eevee bad performance when using procedural bump map. #98989

Open file

Play animation