Shortcut detection problem for tablet user #105503

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Lex-1 · 2023-03-06T18:10:49+01:00

Lex-1 commented

2023-03-06 18:10:49 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19045-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 527.56

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.4.1, branch: blender-v3.4-release, commit date: 2022-12-19 17:00, hash: rB55485cb379f7
Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected)

Short description of error

There are 2 types of shortcuts in Blender.

General shortcuts that work regardless of the location of the mouse pointer. such as 'Ctrl+S'
Window specific shortcuts that work only when the mouse pointer is hovering on the specific window.

The issue is about the second type of shortcuts that happens to tablet users.
The problem is that Blender shortcuts don't work even though the mouse pointer stays on the specific window if the tablet stylus is further from the tablet surface.
This behavior can't be reproduced with mouse on.
Because there's no indication on screen whether the window is activated to register shortcuts, users will be difficult to pinpoint why the shortcuts are not working.
It's also very difficult to utilize shortcuts when users need to press the shortcuts with a stylus in hand or shortcuts that require two hands to operate.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Start up Blender on PC with a graphic tablet
Make sure no mouse is connected on PC
Select the cube mesh and go into edit mode
Select one of vertice of the cube mesh
Lift your stylus out of the tablet while making sure your mouse pointer stays on the desired window
Try shortcut such as 'L' to select linked
You will see the shortcuts don't work

Solution that I can think of is:

To be able to recognize and register the shorcut inputs as long as the mouse pointer stays on the specific window even if the stylus is out of the distance of the tablet surface.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19045-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 527.56 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.4.1, branch: blender-v3.4-release, commit date: 2022-12-19 17:00, hash: `rB55485cb379f7` Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected) **Short description of error** There are 2 types of shortcuts in Blender. 1. General shortcuts that work regardless of the location of the mouse pointer. such as 'Ctrl+S' 2. Window specific shortcuts that work only when the mouse pointer is hovering on the specific window. The issue is about the second type of shortcuts that happens to tablet users. The problem is that Blender shortcuts don't work even though the mouse pointer stays on the specific window if the tablet stylus is further from the tablet surface. This behavior can't be reproduced with mouse on. Because there's no indication on screen whether the window is activated to register shortcuts, users will be difficult to pinpoint why the shortcuts are not working. It's also very difficult to utilize shortcuts when users need to press the shortcuts with a stylus in hand or shortcuts that require two hands to operate. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** 1. Start up Blender on PC with a graphic tablet 2. Make sure no mouse is connected on PC 3. Select the cube mesh and go into edit mode 4. Select one of vertice of the cube mesh 5. Lift your stylus out of the tablet while making sure your mouse pointer stays on the desired window 6. Try shortcut such as 'L' to select linked 7. You will see the shortcuts don't work **Solution that I can think of is:** To be able to recognize and register the shorcut inputs as long as the mouse pointer stays on the specific window even if the stylus is out of the distance of the tablet surface.

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Iliya Katushenock commented

2023-03-06 18:27:44 +01:00

Can confirm (Huion h430p (With disabled drivers, only windows functions are used)). But not sure is that is bug

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Pratik Borhade commented

2023-03-07 10:50:38 +01:00

@PrototypeNM1 hi, is this an intended behavior? keyboard shortcuts should work if Window is active. Looks like a bug to me.

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Nicholas Rishel commented

2023-04-16 22:55:20 +02:00

Couldn't recreate this behavior on a Surface device (Windows Ink). Will try on a Wintab device when I'm able to.

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Lex-1 commented

2023-05-31 18:26:20 +02:00

The status hasn't progressed much more last few months. I am not sure this is considered a low priority by developers.

The problem means that you can't use any shortcuts that require one of your hands that holds the stylus.
It sounds ridiculous but I tried to hold the stylus with my mouth to press CTRL + I or K for example, it's too difficult to hold the stylus in the range of detection but not touching the screen. Even if it is easy using mouth or something else, do you want your user to do this?

I would argue this is a significant improvement in User Experience, due to more and more people using tablets with the sculpting and painting capability of Blender.
Do you guys know how to bring this issue up to get attention from developers?

The status hasn't progressed much more last few months. I am not sure this is considered a low priority by developers. The problem means that you can't use any shortcuts that require one of your hands that holds the stylus. It sounds ridiculous but I tried to hold the stylus with my mouth to press CTRL + I or K for example, it's too difficult to hold the stylus in the range of detection but not touching the screen. Even if it is easy using mouth or something else, do you want your user to do this? I would argue this is a significant improvement in User Experience, due to more and more people using tablets with the sculpting and painting capability of Blender. Do you guys know how to bring this issue up to get attention from developers?

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Shortcut detection problem for tablet user #105503