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4.1.0 Principled BSDF broken on Intel Mac Pro: Viewport > Material Preview. AMD D500 GPU #119934

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opened 2024-03-26 21:50:15 +01:00 by Caco Oportot · 16 comments
Caco Oportot commented 2024-03-26 21:50:15 +01:00
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Operating system: macOS Monterey 12.7.4 (21H1123)
Graphics card: AMD FirePro D500 3 GB

Mac Pro (Late 2013)
2,7 GHz 12-Core Intel Xeon E5
64 GB 1866 MHz DDR3
AMD FirePro D500 3 GB

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Broken: 4.1.0, 40a5e739e2, blender-v4.1-release, 03-25-2024
Worked: 4.1.0, 99f9084bee, main, 01-24-2024

Bronken since: 4.1.0, f11292104d, main, 01-25-2024

Short description of error
Viewport: Material Preview cannot display correctly Principled BSDF material when any amount of Transmission (Weight) or Coat (Weight) is applied to an object on the scene. Same happens for Specular BSDF if you add any amount of Clear Coat.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Launch Blender on default cube scene
Change Viewport Shading to Material Preview.
Go to Material Properties and with default material (Principled BSDF) add any amount of Transmission (Weight) and/or Coat (Weight).
Orbit around the scene, or move the cube.

Same happens for Specular BSDF material if you add any amount of Clear Coat.

**System Information** Operating system: macOS Monterey 12.7.4 (21H1123) Graphics card: AMD FirePro D500 3 GB Mac Pro (Late 2013) 2,7 GHz 12-Core Intel Xeon E5 64 GB 1866 MHz DDR3 AMD FirePro D500 3 GB **Blender Version** Broken: 4.1.0, 40a5e739e270, blender-v4.1-release, 03-25-2024 Worked: 4.1.0, 99f9084bee58, main, 01-24-2024 **Bronken since: 4.1.0, f11292104d75, main, 01-25-2024** **Short description of error** Viewport: Material Preview cannot display correctly Principled BSDF material when any amount of Transmission (Weight) or Coat (Weight) is applied to an object on the scene. Same happens for Specular BSDF if you add any amount of Clear Coat. <video src="/attachments/75c3d3a0-5f4b-46b8-8553-2aa18dae059e" title="Screen Recording 2024-03-26 at 17.20.30.mov" controls></video> **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Launch Blender on default cube scene Change Viewport Shading to Material Preview. Go to Material Properties and with default material (Principled BSDF) add any amount of Transmission (Weight) and/or Coat (Weight). Orbit around the scene, or move the cube. Same happens for Specular BSDF material if you add any amount of Clear Coat.
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Pratik Borhade commented 2024-03-27 07:03:49 +01:00
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Bronken since: 4.1.0, f11292104d, main, 01-25-2024

Hi, thanks for the report. I doubt whether that commit is responsible, only tests are updated in that.

> Bronken since: 4.1.0, f11292104d, main, 01-25-2024 Hi, thanks for the report. I doubt whether that commit is responsible, only tests are updated in that.
Pratik Borhade commented 2024-03-27 07:12:17 +01:00
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AMD FirePro D500 3 GB

I'm not sure if this GPU is metal (2.2) compatible

> AMD FirePro D500 3 GB I'm not sure if this GPU is metal (2.2) compatible
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Caco Oportot commented 2024-03-27 07:25:58 +01:00
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Bronken since: 4.1.0, f11292104d, main, 01-25-2024

Hi, thanks for the report. I doubt whether that commit is responsible, only tests are updated in that.

Hi. That commit is the only reference I have access to, it worked fine until the daily build released the day before.

I can add it seems to only affect Viewport: Material Preview, because the Viewport: Rendered works fine, it also renders ok

> > Bronken since: 4.1.0, f11292104d, main, 01-25-2024 > > Hi, thanks for the report. I doubt whether that commit is responsible, only tests are updated in that. Hi. That commit is the only reference I have access to, it worked fine until the daily build released the day before. I can add it seems to only affect Viewport: Material Preview, because the Viewport: Rendered works fine, it also renders ok
Pratik Borhade commented 2024-03-27 07:40:34 +01:00
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Maybe (preserveInvariance = true) ae27daf834 / 6498809dfd introduced this issue?

@Michael-Parkin-White-Apple hi, can you check?

Maybe ([preserveInvariance = true](https://developer.apple.com/documentation/metal/mtlcompileoptions/3564462-preserveinvariance)) ae27daf8340a6f00512ed9378094940309536d5e / 6498809dfd76e3aa85aaf0b3d8d10375a19f1a90 introduced this issue? @Michael-Parkin-White-Apple hi, can you check?
Philipp Oeser commented 2024-03-27 11:27:07 +01:00
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Cannot repro in

**System Information**
Operating system: macOS-14.4.1-arm64-arm-64bit 64 Bits
Graphics card: Metal API Apple M2 1.2
version: 4.1.0, branch: blender-v4.1-release, commit date: 2024-03-25 20:42, hash: `40a5e739e270`
Cannot repro in ``` **System Information** Operating system: macOS-14.4.1-arm64-arm-64bit 64 Bits Graphics card: Metal API Apple M2 1.2 version: 4.1.0, branch: blender-v4.1-release, commit date: 2024-03-25 20:42, hash: `40a5e739e270` ```
Caco Oportot changed title from 4.1.0 Principled BSDF broken on Intel Mac: Viewport > Material Preview, Mac Pro, Monterey 12.7.4 to 4.1.0 Principled BSDF broken on Intel Mac: Viewport > Material Preview. AMD GPU 2024-03-29 05:27:08 +01:00
Caco Oportot commented 2024-03-30 21:01:37 +01:00
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Would you please try to repro this on your AMD GPU Intel Mac @iss ?

Would you please try to repro this on your AMD GPU Intel Mac @iss ?
Richard Antalik commented 2024-03-30 21:48:50 +01:00
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Can't reproduce with 4.1.1 rc build

Can't reproduce with 4.1.1 rc build
Caco Oportot commented 2024-03-30 22:22:23 +01:00
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Can't reproduce with 4.1.1 rc build

Still happening on latest 4.1.1 810bfcc30a RC build on my AMD FirePro D500 Mac Pro on Monterey 12.7.4 (21H1123)

Your Intel Machine is a Mac Pro Trashcan w/ Dxxx series AMD gpu @iss ? or is it another newer AMD gpu?

> Can't reproduce with 4.1.1 rc build Still happening on latest 4.1.1 810bfcc30a93 RC build on my AMD FirePro D500 Mac Pro on Monterey 12.7.4 (21H1123) Your Intel Machine is a Mac Pro Trashcan w/ Dxxx series AMD gpu @iss ? or is it another newer AMD gpu? <video src="/attachments/43c4febb-c9b6-44d7-810c-c802f0256440" title="810bfcc30a93 Transmission .mov" controls></video>
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Caco Oportot changed title from 4.1.0 Principled BSDF broken on Intel Mac: Viewport > Material Preview. AMD GPU to 4.1.0 Principled BSDF broken on Intel Mac Pro: Viewport > Material Preview. AMD D500 GPU 2024-03-31 01:04:47 +01:00
Richard Antalik commented 2024-03-31 11:23:30 +02:00
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@Caco-Oportot No, it's 5700XT GPU

@Caco-Oportot No, it's 5700XT GPU
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Caco Oportot commented 2024-04-11 03:28:51 +02:00
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Hi @MCurto, would you please try to replicate/confirm this issue on your Intel Mac + AMD GPU combos?

Hi @MCurto, would you please try to replicate/confirm this issue on your Intel Mac + AMD GPU combos?
MCurto commented 2024-04-11 14:25:58 +02:00
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Hi @MCurto, would you please try to replicate/confirm this issue on your Intel Mac + AMD GPU combos?

I can , "unfortunately" took the day off and they are at work , only tomorrow.
I CAN'T replicate that with

Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate 5fb26db5cc SHA 11 Apr 02:00 Intel
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Blender 4.2.0 Alpha a656ce5c16 SHA 11 Apr 13:46 Intel

Both versions seem to be working just fine and 4.2 is now fixed for blacked out GPU output.Thanks.

on my home iMac+Somoma 14.4.1+580X tough.

As a side note: Trashcans have dual GPUs and some times I found it causes some weird glitches. Have you tried to enable just one GPU? Will test in other combos tomorrow.

Thanks all for the support in keeping Blender alive for older Macs.

> Hi @MCurto, would you please try to replicate/confirm this issue on your Intel Mac + AMD GPU combos? I can , "unfortunately" took the day off and they are at work , only tomorrow. I CAN'T replicate that with Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate 5fb26db5ccff SHA 11 Apr 02:00 Intel or Blender 4.2.0 Alpha a656ce5c1625 SHA 11 Apr 13:46 Intel Both versions seem to be working just fine and 4.2 is now fixed for blacked out GPU output.Thanks. on my home iMac+Somoma 14.4.1+580X tough. As a side note: Trashcans have dual GPUs and some times I found it causes some weird glitches. Have you tried to enable just one GPU? Will test in other combos tomorrow. Thanks all for the support in keeping Blender alive for older Macs.
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Caco Oportot commented 2024-04-11 21:54:06 +02:00
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Hi @MCurto, would you please try to replicate/confirm this issue on your Intel Mac + AMD GPU combos?

I can , "unfortunately" took the day off and they are at work , only tomorrow.
I CAN'T replicate that with

Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate 5fb26db5cc SHA 11 Apr 02:00 Intel
or
Blender 4.2.0 Alpha a656ce5c16 SHA 11 Apr 13:46 Intel

Both versions seem to be working just fine and 4.2 is now fixed for blacked out GPU output.Thanks.

on my home iMac+Somoma 14.4.1+580X tough.

As a side note: Trashcans have dual GPUs and some times I found it causes some weird glitches. Have you tried to enable just one GPU?

I have, issue persists.

Will test in other combos tomorrow.

Please do, it seems to happen on older combos like my Mac Pro Trashcan

Thank you for taking the time @MCurto !!

Thanks all for the support in keeping Blender alive for older Macs.

> > Hi @MCurto, would you please try to replicate/confirm this issue on your Intel Mac + AMD GPU combos? > > I can , "unfortunately" took the day off and they are at work , only tomorrow. > I CAN'T replicate that with > > Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate 5fb26db5ccff SHA 11 Apr 02:00 Intel > or > Blender 4.2.0 Alpha a656ce5c1625 SHA 11 Apr 13:46 Intel > > Both versions seem to be working just fine and 4.2 is now fixed for blacked out GPU output.Thanks. > > on my home iMac+Somoma 14.4.1+580X tough. > > As a side note: Trashcans have dual GPUs and some times I found it causes some weird glitches. Have you tried to enable just one GPU? I have, issue persists. >Will test in other combos tomorrow. Please do, it seems to happen on older combos like my Mac Pro Trashcan Thank you for taking the time @MCurto !! > > Thanks all for the support in keeping Blender alive for older Macs. > >
MCurto commented 2024-04-12 10:48:25 +02:00
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@Caco-Oportot

So I tested Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate b0f9c2f961 SHA 12 Apr 01:45 Intel on the Trashcan I have here (think its the most relevant to you) and if I use the 2 GPUs get almost instant out of GPU memory error, using just 1 is slow but works, it seems indeed glitched but only in Material Preview mode, seems ok to me in Rendered View mode (Screen Recording MOV attached).

@Caco-Oportot So I tested Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate b0f9c2f96135 SHA 12 Apr 01:45 Intel on the Trashcan I have here (think its the most relevant to you) and if I use the 2 GPUs get almost instant out of GPU memory error, using just 1 is slow but works, it seems indeed glitched but only in Material Preview mode, seems ok to me in Rendered View mode (Screen Recording MOV attached).
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Caco Oportot commented 2024-04-12 11:13:02 +02:00
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So I tested Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate b0f9c2f961 SHA 12 Apr 01:45 Intel on the Trashcan I have here (think its the most relevant to you) and if I use the 2 GPUs get almost instant out of GPU memory error, using just 1 is slow but works, it seems indeed glitched but only in Material Preview mode, seems ok to me in Rendered View mode (Screen Recording MOV attached).

Thank you for confirming the glitching issue @MCurto, it happens on the Material Preview indeed. If you add more objects with any amount of "transmission" to the scene, the viewport becomes unusable on Material Preview.

The "out of memory" error I assume is because the D300 on your Trashcan are only 2GB RAM, and mine has D500 with 3GB RAM so I only got that error on more complex scenes. I suppose the D700 (4GB) should run a little better on that, but not on par with newer GPUs.

> @Caco-Oportot > > So I tested Blender 4.1.1 Release Candidate b0f9c2f96135 SHA 12 Apr 01:45 Intel on the Trashcan I have here (think its the most relevant to you) and if I use the 2 GPUs get almost instant out of GPU memory error, using just 1 is slow but works, it seems indeed glitched but only in Material Preview mode, seems ok to me in Rendered View mode (Screen Recording MOV attached). > > Thank you for confirming the glitching issue @MCurto, it happens on the **Material Preview** indeed. If you add more objects with any amount of "transmission" to the scene, the viewport becomes unusable on Material Preview. The "out of memory" error I assume is because the D300 on your Trashcan are only 2GB RAM, and mine has D500 with 3GB RAM so I only got that error on more complex scenes. I suppose the D700 (4GB) should run a little better on that, but not on par with newer GPUs.
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Hi, any improvements in 4.2/EEVEE next? (entire engine is rewritten): https://www.blender.org/download/

Hi, any improvements in 4.2/EEVEE next? (entire engine is rewritten): https://www.blender.org/download/
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Thanks again for the report. If the problem persists please open a new report with the required information.

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