Scale and Transform nodes don't interpolate when scaling images down #35050

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Paul R · 2013-04-21T21:59:33+02:00

Paul R commented

2013-04-21 21:59:33 +02:00

%%%--- Operating System, Graphics card ---
Linux SuSE 12.2 (x86_64)
NVidia GTX560ti (official driver)

- Blender version with error, and version that worked ---

latest buildbot binaries 2.66.6 (r56187) and at least as far back as 2.62 (r44136)

- Short description of error ---

The Scale and Transform nodes don't interpolate when scaling images down (particularly noticeable using a scale value less than 0.5). Effect is most noticeable on sharp, high res images.

- Steps for others to reproduce the error (preferably based on attached .blend file) ---

Use either Render Layers or Image node as a source and route through Scale or Transform node reducing the size by 0.2%%%

%%%--- Operating System, Graphics card --- Linux SuSE 12.2 (x86_64) NVidia GTX560ti (official driver) - Blender version with error, and version that worked --- latest buildbot binaries 2.66.6 (r56187) and at least as far back as 2.62 (r44136) - Short description of error --- The Scale and Transform nodes don't interpolate when scaling images down (particularly noticeable using a scale value less than 0.5). Effect is most noticeable on sharp, high res images. - Steps for others to reproduce the error (preferably based on attached .blend file) --- Use either Render Layers or Image node as a source and route through Scale or Transform node reducing the size by 0.2%%%

Paul R commented

2013-04-21 21:59:33 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Ton Roosendaal commented

2013-04-22 15:14:12 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Ton Roosendaal closed this issue

2013-04-22 15:14:12 +02:00

Sergey Sharybin commented

2013-04-22 15:54:36 +02:00

%%%Just to the note -- Transform node will do exactly the same crappyness, unfortunately :(%%%

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2013-04-22 17:47:47 +02:00

%%%The bilinear or bicubic interpolation used here is never going to give good result scaling so much, the filter size is too small for that. Something like mipmapping or EWA filtering is needed here.%%%

Jeroen Bakker commented

2013-04-22 19:18:24 +02:00

%%%The compositor already has EWA filtering (implemented for the UV mapping) this could be implemented for other nodes etc. The downside of this is that scale/rotate etc will become 'complex nodes' and loosing a lot of the functionalities that the simple nodes have. And those features (composite outside screen area) were developed for the scale/rotate nodes.

We could also adjust the current node interface to add the deltax, deltay that is needed for the EWA filtering so that every node can handle this kind of filtering. but it will slow down the system a bit. This would be a better option, but IMO clearly a todo/feature request.

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%%%The compositor already has EWA filtering (implemented for the UV mapping) this could be implemented for other nodes etc. The downside of this is that scale/rotate etc will become 'complex nodes' and loosing a lot of the functionalities that the simple nodes have. And those features (composite outside screen area) were developed for the scale/rotate nodes. We could also adjust the current node interface to add the deltax, deltay that is needed for the EWA filtering so that every node can handle this kind of filtering. but it will slow down the system a bit. This would be a better option, but IMO clearly a todo/feature request. %%%

Paul R commented

2013-04-24 21:40:12 +02:00

%%%If GIMP gives better results when set to linear scaling, doesn't it suggest a specific issue with Blender's implementation?

A quick workaround; use a Tent Blur node before either the scale/transform and a bit of math to pre-blur the image inversely proportional to the scale amount;

Scale Blur
1.0 1.0
0.5 2.0
0.25 4.0
see prefilter_before_scale.png attachment%%%

%%%If GIMP gives better results when set to linear scaling, doesn't it suggest a specific issue with Blender's implementation? A quick workaround; use a Tent Blur node before either the scale/transform and a bit of math to pre-blur the image inversely proportional to the scale amount; Scale Blur 1.0 1.0 0.5 2.0 0.25 4.0 see prefilter_before_scale.png attachment%%%

Paul R commented

2013-04-24 22:02:39 +02:00

%%%http://www.pasteall.org/pic/49931%%%

Jeroen Bakker commented

2013-04-29 21:41:25 +02:00

%%%Moved from Blender 2.6 Bug Tracker to Todo%%%

Jeroen Bakker commented

2013-04-29 21:41:25 +02:00

%%%Will move this item to todo tracker as a new algorithm needs to be investigated. We think that having a feature like this is useful.

Thanks for showing this!
Regards,
At Mind
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%%%Will move this item to todo tracker as a new algorithm needs to be investigated. We think that having a feature like this is useful. Thanks for showing this! Regards, At Mind %%%

Troy Sobotka commented

2018-09-04 02:32:19 +02:00

Added subscribers: @Jeroen-Bakker, @troy_s

Troy Sobotka commented

2018-09-04 02:32:19 +02:00

@Jeroen-Bakker any chance we can revisit this and implement the cubic prefilter approach? It is likely one of the best in breed for pixel manipulations given it doesn't overshoot nor undershoot, and delivers stable math on the output.

Pete Draper commented

2024-02-16 14:20:48 +01:00

11 years later and this issue is still there - there is no decent filtering to rescale images (in transform or scale nodes) in Blender compositor, making it virtually useless for any form of basic compositing. Sorry, but this is a basic requirement. I do not know why this issue was closed. Even rotating a layer results in massive aliased unfiltered lines.

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Scale and Transform nodes don't interpolate when scaling images down #35050