Disable Auto-perspective (by default) #40153

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Campbell Barton · 2014-05-12T08:28:30+02:00

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-12 08:28:30 +02:00

After getting bug reports of users, making minor changes to functionality, and discussion with others.

Blender is trying to make decisions for the user, this is OK as an opt-in for users who like, but I think we shouldn't try to second-guess user actions by default (assuming when they do/don't want perspective mode).
Its really annoying when it does NOT do what you want, and we got bug reports from users who wonder why their view ortho/perspective is changing - see #39183 blender/blender-addons#40173
Its difficult to support under all circumstances, (switching between camera/axis views, axis-snapping by holding Alt while rotating the view for example) - see #40148

I really think we should not enable this by default.

(See main ticket about changing defaults - #37518)

After getting bug reports of users, making minor changes to functionality, and discussion with others. - Blender is trying to make decisions for the user, this is OK as an **opt-in** for users who like, but I think we shouldn't try to second-guess user actions by default *(assuming when they do/don't want perspective mode)*. - Its really annoying when it does _NOT_ do what you want, and we got bug reports from users who wonder why their view ortho/perspective is changing - see #39183 blender/blender-addons#40173 - Its difficult to support under all circumstances, (switching between camera/axis views, axis-snapping by holding Alt while rotating the view for example) - see #40148 I really think we should not enable this by default. (See main ticket about changing defaults - #37518)

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-12 08:28:30 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-12 08:28:30 +02:00

Added subscriber: @ideasman42

Daniel Salazar commented

2014-05-12 08:46:56 +02:00

Added subscriber: @zanqdo

Daniel Salazar commented

2014-05-12 08:46:56 +02:00

+1, one of the issues with this automatic behavior is it assumes you want to be in perspective when going back to free camera. In my case I almost always work in ortho so this behavior is constantly switching my free camera view to perspective, very inconvenient.

bassam kurdali commented

2014-05-12 08:47:46 +02:00

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bassam kurdali commented

2014-05-12 08:47:46 +02:00

I'm in agreement here;
1- It's possible that auto perspective is attempting to accomplish something that might be better done with more design.
2- It could be helpful 'when you expect it' but:
3- it is mega confusing when you don't:
4- which means it might not be a good default!

I'm in agreement here; 1- It's possible that auto perspective is attempting to accomplish something that might be better done with more design. 2- It could be helpful 'when you expect it' but: 3- it is mega confusing when you don't: 4- which means it might not be a good default!

Thomas Dinges commented

2014-05-12 08:52:14 +02:00

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Thomas Dinges commented

2014-05-12 08:52:14 +02:00

Agreed, should be disabled.

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-05-12 16:15:08 +02:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-05-12 16:15:08 +02:00

For waht’s worth, agree too to disable this setting by default. :)

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-13 23:06:33 +02:00

@zanqdo, regarding going out of camera mode. for me this works ok with auto-perspective. (Leaving camera view by numpad0 or MMB orbit)
(This was reported and fixed a while back)

@zanqdo, regarding going out of camera mode. for me this works ok with auto-perspective. (Leaving camera view by numpad0 or MMB orbit) *(This was reported and fixed a while back)*

Daniel Salazar commented

2014-05-14 06:09:51 +02:00

@ideasman42 Nope, it still does the wrong thing here!

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-14 23:23:27 +02:00

@zanqdo - then I rather that be a bug report handled outside this thread. we must not be testing the same thing

Jonathan Williamson commented

2014-05-15 05:29:54 +02:00

Added subscriber: @JonathanWilliamson

Jonathan Williamson commented

2014-05-15 05:29:54 +02:00

Agree as well. These kind of settings are better left off by default and let users enable them that wish to use it.

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-15 05:51:48 +02:00

Note, The issue @zanqdo mentioned is:

Side view -> camera -> orbit - exit to perspective
Ortho user -> camera -> orbit - exit to ortho

This isnt a bug (at least this was never intended to work), for that to work we need to store 2 ortho/persp setting.

Note, The issue @zanqdo mentioned is: - Side view -> camera -> orbit - *exit to perspective* - Ortho user -> camera -> orbit - *exit to ortho* This isnt a bug (at least this was never intended to work), for that to work we need to store 2 ortho/persp setting.

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-15 06:26:02 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2014-05-15 06:26:02 +02:00

Campbell Barton self-assigned this 2014-05-15 06:26:02 +02:00

Campbell Barton commented

2014-05-15 06:26:02 +02:00

Committed c62cb4416d

Committed c62cb4416d

Todor Imreorov commented

2014-05-15 11:27:21 +02:00

Added subscriber: @TodorImreorov

Todor Imreorov commented

2014-05-15 11:27:21 +02:00

I am glad that you have taken actions to address the issue.
It would be great if auto-perspective supported alt-snapping one day though. After finding out the idea behind auto-perspective I have to say that it can potentially be super useful to me if it did support my preference to the alt key instead of the numpad buttons.

The alt-key would always win me over the numpad buttons when using a wacom tablet for example, where the pad's express keys are assigned to be the modifier buttons . Since you usually have a limited number of express keys, having one key let you snap to views is much better than having a key for each individual view.

I am glad that you have taken actions to address the issue. It would be great if auto-perspective supported alt-snapping one day though. After finding out the idea behind auto-perspective I have to say that it can potentially be super useful to me if it did support my preference to the alt key instead of the numpad buttons. The alt-key would always win me over the numpad buttons when using a wacom tablet for example, where the pad's express keys are assigned to be the modifier buttons . Since you usually have a limited number of express keys, having one key let you snap to views is much better than having a key for each individual view.

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Disable Auto-perspective (by default) #40153