User Preferences, Input, german keyboard layout, = versus + #46414

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Reiner Prokein · 2015-10-08T10:37:22+02:00

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 10:37:22 +02:00

System Information
Operating system and graphics card

Win 7 64 Bit, Nvidia 760 gtx

Blender Version
Broken: (example: 2.69.7 4b206af, see splash screen)
Worked: (optional)

2.76.1

Short description of error

When trying to change the hotkey for a hotkey item i stumbled across that the " +" sign gots displayed as " = " in the input manager. Which makes it a bit hard to find the right hotkey then. Since those two are different keys. I have german keyboard layout, and there the = sign is mapped to the 0 key above the letters. The = letter by pressing the + key most probably comes from US keyboard layout. I don't even know where the + is at the USkeyobard layout. The rest of the hotkeys works fine though, and seems to use the german keyboard layout.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Based on a (as simple as possible) attached .blend file with minimum amount of steps

No blendfile. Open up the User Preferences. Go to Input. Try to change a hotkey there, using the + key. You will get a = instead in the Input manager with european keyboard layout.

**System Information** Operating system and graphics card Win 7 64 Bit, Nvidia 760 gtx **Blender Version** Broken: (example: 2.69.7 4b206af, see splash screen) Worked: (optional) 2.76.1 **Short description of error** When trying to change the hotkey for a hotkey item i stumbled across that the " +" sign gots displayed as " = " in the input manager. Which makes it a bit hard to find the right hotkey then. Since those two are different keys. I have german keyboard layout, and there the = sign is mapped to the 0 key above the letters. The = letter by pressing the + key most probably comes from US keyboard layout. I don't even know where the + is at the USkeyobard layout. The rest of the hotkeys works fine though, and seems to use the german keyboard layout. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Based on a (as simple as possible) attached .blend file with minimum amount of steps No blendfile. Open up the User Preferences. Go to Input. Try to change a hotkey there, using the + key. You will get a = instead in the Input manager with european keyboard layout. ![keyboardmappingprob.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F243358/keyboardmappingprob.jpg)

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 10:37:22 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 10:37:22 +02:00

Added subscriber: @tiles

blender-admin commented

2015-10-08 10:37:22 +02:00

#53596 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 10:38:50 +02:00

Sorry for the big picture. I wish you could edit your own reports ...

Bastien Montagne commented

2015-10-08 11:06:51 +02:00

Added subscribers: @LukasStockner, @LukasTonne, @ThomasDinges, @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2015-10-08 11:06:51 +02:00

Can some german guy confirm that? @ThomasDinges, @LukasStockner, @LukasTonne ?

Lukas Tönne commented

2015-10-08 11:10:19 +02:00

I don't have a german keyboard.

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 11:16:47 +02:00

I have tested this at two independand german Win 7 64 Bit systems when this is of help. My main system. And my laptop, which has Win 7 fresh installed after a disastreous Win 10 update attempt. Same behaviour at both systems.

Julian Eisel commented

2015-10-08 17:15:58 +02:00

Added subscriber: @JulianEisel

Julian Eisel commented

2015-10-08 17:15:58 +02:00

Can't recreate here. Numpad '*' also works fine here.

However, the german QWERTZ keyboard layout doesn't have the asterisk ('') where it is in your image, it's accessible via shift only (English QWERTY has asterisk at shift+8, so at a completely different place). It is expected that you can't assign '' directly, only shift+'+'. It shouldn't assign '=' though.

@tiles, Could you attach the output of --debug-events here (not directly, use [pasteall ]], [ http:*hastebin.com/ | hastebin , etc)?

Can't recreate here. Numpad '*' also works fine here. However, the german QWERTZ keyboard layout doesn't have the asterisk ('*') where it is in your image, it's accessible via shift only (English QWERTY has asterisk at shift+8, so at a completely different place). It is expected that you can't assign '*' directly, only shift+'+'. It shouldn't assign '=' though. @tiles, Could you attach the output of `--debug-events` here (not directly, use [pasteall ]], [[ http:*hastebin.com/ | hastebin ](http:*www.pasteall.org/), etc)?

Lukas Stockner commented

2015-10-08 17:36:06 +02:00

For me, all the keys that are marked as red [here ]] are ignored when assigning hotkeys (on Linux Mint 17, both in a recent buildbot version and a local build). Debug output is [ http:*www.pasteall.org/61559 | here .

For me, all the keys that are marked as red [here ]] are ignored when assigning hotkeys (on Linux Mint 17, both in a recent buildbot version and a local build). Debug output is [[ http:*www.pasteall.org/61559 | here ](http:*www.pasteall.org/pic/93922).

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 18:29:28 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Lukas-132

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 18:29:28 +02:00

@Lukas-132, i am at Windows 7 here, so i cannot talk about Linux. But it can be that we are at something bigger here.

However, the german QWERTZ keyboard layout doesn't have the asterisk ('*') where it is in your image,

Ah. My fault. Sorry for confusion. The title is misleading. It's not the asterisk key, it's the + key. The asterisk is also at this keyboard key. But as a subset. So it's the + key we talk about that is switched with the = key.

But the place for the key is nevertheless right. All my keyboards have it at this place. And they all are quertz. Here's a photo as proof. It's about the two marked keys here.

The story is, i wanted to change the = key. And i had to press the + key to get = .

Could you attach the output of --debug-events here

Not exactly sure what you mean. Do you mean to build a debug version?

@Lukas-132, i am at Windows 7 here, so i cannot talk about Linux. But it can be that we are at something bigger here. >However, the german QWERTZ keyboard layout doesn't have the asterisk ('*') where it is in your image, Ah. My fault. Sorry for confusion. The title is misleading. It's not the asterisk key, it's the + key. The asterisk is also at this keyboard key. But as a subset. So it's the + key we talk about that is switched with the = key. But the place for the key is nevertheless right. All my keyboards have it at this place. And they all are quertz. Here's a photo as proof. It's about the two marked keys here. ![asterisk.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F243447/asterisk.jpg) The story is, i wanted to change the = key. And i had to press the + key to get = . >Could you attach the output of --debug-events here Not exactly sure what you mean. Do you mean to build a debug version?

Aaron Carlisle commented

2015-10-08 18:56:02 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Blendify

Aaron Carlisle commented

2015-10-08 18:56:02 +02:00

@tiles what julian means is to run blender from CMD using blender.exe --debug-events

@tiles what julian means is to run blender from CMD using `blender.exe --debug-events`

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 19:11:27 +02:00

Thanks :)

Hm, there is no event when i change the hotkey. The console only gets flooded with wm_window_make_drawable arguments. Do i miss something else?

Thanks :) Hm, there is no event when i change the hotkey. The console only gets flooded with wm_window_make_drawable arguments. Do i miss something else? ![console.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F243453/console.jpg)

Bastien Montagne commented

2015-10-08 20:12:56 +02:00

@tiles you say you are under windows, that OS can have different keyboard layouts for each application, did you check it was really on German layout (and not e.g. English one) for Blender?

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-08 20:54:28 +02:00

Different key mapping for different apps? You never stop learning ^^

Well, i guess Blender could still use the US layout at my laptop. Even when Windows is set to german keyboard layout there. There are still both keymaps installed, Us and german. But at my main pc i have removed the us keyboard layout completely a long time ago. Just the german keyboard layout is available here. And i have the same behaviour at both machines.

That said, i am very sure that Blender uses the german keyboard layout at both. I would immediately see when Z and Y would be switched. Which is one of the most obvious signs that you are at the wrong keymapping. Z and Y works fine in the Blender input manager though. But + and = are switched. So it is most probably something with Blenders keymapping code.

Different key mapping for different apps? You never stop learning ^^ Well, i guess Blender could still use the US layout at my laptop. Even when Windows is set to german keyboard layout there. There are still both keymaps installed, Us and german. But at my main pc i have removed the us keyboard layout completely a long time ago. Just the german keyboard layout is available here. And i have the same behaviour at both machines. That said, i am very sure that Blender uses the german keyboard layout at both. I would immediately see when Z and Y would be switched. Which is one of the most obvious signs that you are at the wrong keymapping. Z and Y works fine in the Blender input manager though. But + and = are switched. So it is most probably something with Blenders keymapping code.

Julian Eisel changed title from User Preferences, Input, german keyboard layout, = versus * to User Preferences, Input, german keyboard layout, = versus +

2015-10-08 21:10:19 +02:00

Julian Eisel commented

2015-10-08 21:24:08 +02:00

Added subscriber: @MartijnBerger

Julian Eisel commented

2015-10-08 21:24:08 +02:00

Having '=' displayed instead of '+' makes a probably important difference since in English layout '=' and '+' are on the same key. Issue makes much more sense now :S
I should note that I get the same behavior as described by @LukasStockner, but this is an old todo (unfortunately it seems tricky to resolve).

That doesn't change the fact that we have different behaviors here, possibly platform related. @MartijnBerger, @mont29, mind checking on Win?

Having '=' displayed instead of '+' makes a probably important difference since in English layout '=' and '+' are on the same key. Issue makes much more sense now :S I should note that I get the same behavior as described by @LukasStockner, but this is an [old todo ](http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.5/Source/Development/Todo/UserInterface#Support_Keyboard_layouts) (unfortunately it seems tricky to resolve). That doesn't change the fact that we have different behaviors here, possibly platform related. @MartijnBerger, @mont29, mind checking on Win?

Julian Eisel commented

2015-10-08 21:24:42 +02:00

Removed subscribers: @Lukas-132, @LukasTonne

Reiner Prokein commented

2015-10-09 18:08:56 +02:00

I did some more investigation. And i think Lukas Stockner was at the right spot here. It seems to be connected with the old to do that you mention here. Most of the by him red marked keys have the wrong key mapping when i try to add a new hotkey. In the search field the keys works correct though.

In this shot i have pressed + in the search field and the hotkey field. In the search field a + arrives. In the hotkey field a = arrives.

I did some more investigation. And i think Lukas Stockner was at the right spot here. It seems to be connected with the old to do that you mention here. Most of the by him red marked keys have the wrong key mapping when i try to add a new hotkey. In the search field the keys works correct though. In this shot i have pressed + in the search field and the hotkey field. In the search field a + arrives. In the hotkey field a = arrives. ![keymapping.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F243766/keymapping.jpg)

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-04-04 05:40:31 +02:00

Added subscribers: @Mathieu-3, @jenkm, @AndreasLutsch, @lichtwerk, @cyaoeu, @zeauro