Single vertex shows strange behavior when moved in 3D space #53252

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Gaia Clary · 2017-11-05T13:03:45+01:00

Gaia Clary commented

2017-11-05 13:03:45 +01:00

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Broken: hash 78c2242
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Short description of error

open fixed-verts.blend and grab the selected vertex (using "G")
Try to move the vertex around. It does not move freely as expected .

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

type "G" and move the selected vertex: The vertex does only move along an invisible line in 3D
Grabe the entire mesh: all verts except the one behave correct
switch to Face Select mode: Same behavior.

Something tells this vertex to misbehave :)

**Blender Version** Broken: hash 78c2242 Worked: (optional) **Short description of error** open [fixed-verts.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F1096103/fixed-verts.blend) and grab the selected vertex (using "G") Try to move the vertex around. It does not move freely as expected . **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** - type "G" and move the selected vertex: The vertex does only move along an invisible line in 3D - Grabe the entire mesh: all verts except the one behave correct - switch to Face Select mode: Same behavior. Something tells this vertex to misbehave :)

Gaia Clary commented

2017-11-05 13:03:45 +01:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Gaia Clary commented

2017-11-05 13:03:45 +01:00

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Konstantin commented

2017-11-05 13:29:48 +01:00

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Konstantin commented

2017-11-05 13:29:48 +01:00

Worth to add: it moves, but only by 0.000something. And after using "smooth selected vertices" it start to moving normally.

Vuk Gardašević commented

2017-11-05 14:25:49 +01:00

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Vuk Gardašević commented

2017-11-05 14:25:49 +01:00

Unchecking the Toolbar > Options> Mesh Options > Mesh Mirror > X Mirror option will allow the vertex to move freely.
Not sure why it is stuck for that specific vertex (index 92).

Unchecking the `Toolbar > Options> Mesh Options > Mesh Mirror > X Mirror` option will allow the vertex to move freely. Not sure why it is stuck for that specific vertex (index 92).

Joel Godin commented

2017-11-05 18:55:24 +01:00

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Joel Godin commented

2017-11-05 18:55:24 +01:00

Also, upon opening, the vertex 'X' position is .00078. If you manually change it to something like .00079 and above or .00076 and below, it works normally.

update, also if you select a another close verex vertically and set that 'x' value to .00078, it also seems to resist changing the 'x' value from that point also upon Grabbing.

Also, upon opening, the vertex 'X' position is .00078. If you manually change it to something like .00079 and above or .00076 and below, it works normally. - update, also if you select a another close verex vertically and set that 'x' value to .00078, it also seems to resist changing the 'x' value from that point also upon Grabbing.

Germano Cavalcante commented

2017-11-06 13:04:03 +01:00

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Germano Cavalcante commented

2017-11-06 13:04:03 +01:00

This happens because the local coordinate 'x' of the locked vertex has the value 0.0. So it becomes a "reflection" of itself.

When X-Mirror is enabled, the only thing that indicates whether a pair of vertices is mirrored or not are their coordinates.

If the coordinate of a vertex is (x, y, z), its mirrored vertex would have the coordinate (-x, y, z). Vertices with 'x' zero do not move either to the right or to the left to remain mirrored.

Therefore this behavior is expected. But some questions remain open:

Would it be better to disable this behavior when proportional editing is not enabled?;
Should Topology Mirror prevent this from happening?;

This happens because the local coordinate 'x' of the locked vertex has the value 0.0. So it becomes a "reflection" of itself. When `X-Mirror` is enabled, the only thing that indicates whether a pair of vertices is mirrored or not are their coordinates. If the coordinate of a vertex is (x, y, z), its mirrored vertex would have the coordinate (-x, y, z). Vertices with 'x' zero do not move either to the right or to the left to remain mirrored. Therefore this behavior is expected. But some questions remain open: - Would it be better to disable this behavior when `proportional editing` is not enabled?; - Should `Topology Mirror` prevent this from happening?;

Gaia Clary commented

2017-11-06 14:49:00 +01:00

It sounds odd to do a mirror on self when x location is 0.
Would it be convenient to add a simple check like:

if (no mirrored vertex found or mirrored vertex is self) then treat as simple vertex

It sounds odd to do a mirror on self when x location is 0. Would it be convenient to add a simple check like: ``` if (no mirrored vertex found or mirrored vertex is self) then treat as simple vertex ```

ronan ducluzeau commented

2017-11-06 15:35:51 +01:00

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ronan ducluzeau commented

2017-11-06 15:35:51 +01:00

It makes sense to have vertices on symmetrical plane locked on this plane by X Mirror when they are included into a bigger selection.

You just have to try to move an edge or a face that have vertices on a YZ plane at X=0 with X Mirror ON to understand why.

But if the selection is limited to vertices on YZ plane at X=0, I don't see an issue to disable the locking of vertices.

It makes sense to have vertices on symmetrical plane locked on this plane by X Mirror when they are included into a bigger selection. You just have to try to move an edge or a face that have vertices on a YZ plane at X=0 with X Mirror ON to understand why. But if the selection is limited to vertices on YZ plane at X=0, I don't see an issue to disable the locking of vertices.

Campbell Barton commented

2017-11-20 03:29:56 +01:00

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Campbell Barton commented

2017-11-20 03:29:56 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2017-11-20 03:29:56 +01:00

Campbell Barton self-assigned this 2017-11-20 03:29:56 +01:00

Campbell Barton commented

2017-11-20 03:29:56 +01:00

This is working as intended so its not a bug,
we've had many reports over the years from users leaving x-mirror on by accident, then noticing strange behavior - in nearly all cases it's because they're not actually editing a symmetrical mesh.

We could have visual feedback for this, see related patch: D2839

This is working as intended so its not a bug, we've had many reports over the years from users leaving x-mirror on by accident, then noticing strange behavior - in nearly all cases it's because they're not actually editing a symmetrical mesh. We could have visual feedback for this, see related patch: [D2839](https://archive.blender.org/developer/D2839)

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Single vertex shows strange behavior when moved in 3D space #53252