Viewport Manipulator Design #54723
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Currently in 2.8, we have this manipulator widget:
We want to re-design it to to improve these areas:
This is the design we've arrived at:
In the corner of the screen, users will see this:
On rollover, we reveal the sphere, like so:
Rolling over the buttons highlights it:
Side view:
Side View rollover:
Back View:
The viewport manipulator is designed to be able to replace the numpad for users who prefer a more visual interaction, and so it should cover the the same features. For this reason, we will also have a Perspective on/off toggle and a camera view toggle.
Preferences:
In Preferences, users will have three options:
Manipulator (Default)
This option makes it so you can fully use the widget for rotation and to jump to various views
Indicator
This option removes all interaction from the widget and makes it slightly simpler
Off
We show nothing
Process
This gives some insight into our design process. We went through these alternatives before arriving at our final design:
Sketches
Added subscribers: @WilliamReynish, @ideasman42
Added subscriber: @brita
Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'
This part isn't clear to me:
This raises the question - is it expected that people on laptops without a numpad can use this navigation manipulator instead?
That was my intention, with the new design this is no longer the case.
Committed
b5451a642fAdded subscriber: @DuarteRamos
Committed tweaks:
70bcb0c01cAdded subscribers: @pablovazquez, @fsiddi
I would like to point out a couple of minor issues with the current implementation:
As you can see, there are a few differences with the proposed design, namely:
I understand this is mainly "polish", but for such a prominent interface element enabled by default, I think it's worth it.
@fsiddi: Yes, for some reason, it isn't anti-aliased here either. Campbell tells me it should be though, but it seems as if it doesn't work on hiDPI?
I'm on a non-hiDPI monitor here, and it still shows the issue. Do you agree with the other 2 points of the issue?
What is the protocol to handle this kind of feedback? Should the task be set as open again?
Yes I agree with you. The text is like that (afaik) because it doesn't use real fonts - it's just OpenGL lines. No idea how easy it would be to do it the nicer way. Not sure about correct protocol, we obviously have larger issues to tackle first. We could ask Campbell?
Hi @ideasman42 do you have time to comment on https://developer.blender.org/T54723#548752 and perhaps let us know when this could be worked on?
Added subscriber: @brecht
Changed status from 'Resolved' to: 'Open'
It may be a macOS specific issue with polygon smoothing, it's antialiased here on Linux. DPI is unlikely to have an influence.
I'll reopen the task.
Added subscriber: @xrg
I don't get antialiased circles either. Linux/AMD.
This should be made to work everywhere, since I can't redo am not sure how to handle this though.
Isn't this a more general issue? if we can't rely on
GL_LINE_SMOOTH/GL_POLYGON_SMOOTHthis will impact many areas, not just the view manipulator.Does the transform tools gizmo also not draw with anti-aliased shapes? (shows with smoothing here)
Gizmos don't seem to be anti-aliased either.
Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'
Since this is a spesific OpenGL issue which seems like it's not isolated to gizmo's - opening #57570, rather handle replies there since it's not about the gizmo design and more a compatibility issue.,
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psst, reply to #57570 :) seems all nvidia's support this and have done so since the feature was available.
I don't want to be repetitive, but there were two more topics in my initial post (typography and proportions).
Do you have time to look into this, or can it be placed on the task list?
Added subscriber: @Sergey
@ideasman42 , think this report has been closed too fast. There is definitely nothing resolved here -- aliasing is only one one of raised concerns. The rest of the points UI team agrees on, and is not addressed in any way.
This is super-easy to draw proper font.
Changed status from 'Resolved' to: 'Open'
Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'
Committed tweaks to axis handle size & use font for XYZ axis see (
287c023b85,c192ce6717), closing.Thank you Campbell, this is definitely an improvement.
@fsiddi np, and sorry for closing too quick!
For the eagle eyed users ...
While the code to center the characters over the circle is simple, at some UI scales there is subtle offset where it's not exactly centered. Even small errors are noticeable - somehow getting the boundbox of a character is not exacting.
The fonts aren't pixel aligned and are a little blurry, we could do this but then they would jitter relative to the circles, so ... those should be pixel too or it looks strange.
@Sergey, if you want some super easy rainy day todo, feel free to look into these ;)
Added subscriber: @0o00o0oo
Not sure if this is where it needs to be suggested, but couldn't find a more appropriate task.
Could we get a button in the viewport to toggle between Turntable and Trackball orbit styles?
Right now, it's a hassle needing to open up preferences to do so, especially because it can't even be hotkeyed.
@0o00o0oo: I can't see why this should be a button in the viewport. We cannot, for obvious reasons, add every single preference inside the viewport, or it will become unmanageable and get in the way of your work.
Something like Trackball vs Turntable really is a preference, hence that's where it should be.
@WilliamReynish I see it akin to orthographic/perspective, it's a usability issue. I think this is especially true when sculpting, but I find even when modeling or animating, sometimes I want to turn the viewport a certain direction that Turntable doesn't allow me to, but it takes me out of my workflow to fire up the preferences window, find the option to toggle.
If nothing else, do you know if this switch will be hotkeyable in Blender 2.8 if we can't get a button for it?