Collections and Groups huge mess #58234

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Maciej Jutrzenka · 2018-11-30T00:07:39+01:00

Maciej Jutrzenka commented

2018-11-30 00:07:39 +01:00

ok so the first problem with collections is that if u go to collection tab and u click X... it delates the object.
(not on video) if u click + to make new collection and u type name.. it dosn't show up in outliner.
(on video) if u select few object and press ctrl+g. it makes collection, u type name. but it dosn't show in outliner.. but it shows in collections menu.

u use function insert instanced collection it see the collection from ctrl+g.. and it works.. however.. now if u click X in collections menu, and u click it on collection group it delates object from sceen. however the object still is in instanced object... if u press X in in collections menu on ctrl+g collection. it delates object from both instance.. and viewport...

it is huge mess.. video shows this better.

collections_bug2.mp4

System Information
Operating system: Intel® Core™ i5-3210M CPU @ 2.50GHz × 4
Graphics card: GeForce 610M/PCIe/SSE2

Blender Version
Broken: Blender 2.80 Beta

ok so the first problem with collections is that if u go to collection tab and u click X... it delates the object. (not on video) if u click + to make new collection and u type name.. it dosn't show up in outliner. (on video) if u select few object and press ctrl+g. it makes collection, u type name. but it dosn't show in outliner.. but it shows in collections menu. u use function insert instanced collection it see the collection from ctrl+g.. and it works.. however.. now if u click X in collections menu, and u click it on collection group it delates object from sceen. however the object still is in instanced object... if u press X in in collections menu on ctrl+g collection. it delates object from both instance.. and viewport... it is huge mess.. video shows this better. [collections_bug2.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5760802/collections_bug2.mp4) System Information Operating system: Intel® Core™ i5-3210M CPU @ 2.50GHz × 4 Graphics card: GeForce 610M/PCIe/SSE2 Blender Version Broken: Blender 2.80 Beta

Maciej Jutrzenka commented

2018-11-30 00:07:39 +01:00

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ChristopherAnderssarian commented

2018-11-30 00:11:42 +01:00

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msalv commented

2018-11-30 01:05:49 +01:00

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msalv commented

2018-11-30 01:05:49 +01:00

Using Ctrl+G and the Collection panel in the Object properties to create collections, creates Unlinked collections, meaning that they haven't been linked to the Scene collection. I agree that the interface here should be improved, but it's not really a bug. Use Mkey on the viewport instead (the old key to move to layers) or the New collection button on the Outliner's header. In the meantime, you can use a second outliner and change it to Orphan data to see the unlinked collections and objects, and drag them from one outliner to the other

Deleting collections from the properties of an Object could be considered a bug. The object isn't deleted, it just becomes unlinked and orphan, but nothing tells you that it will be unlinked from the Scene collection. I think by default it should remain on the scene

Using Ctrl+G and the Collection panel in the Object properties to create collections, creates Unlinked collections, meaning that they haven't been linked to the Scene collection. I agree that the interface here should be improved, but it's not really a bug. Use Mkey on the viewport instead (the old key to move to layers) or the New collection button on the Outliner's header. In the meantime, you can use a second outliner and change it to Orphan data to see the unlinked collections and objects, and drag them from one outliner to the other Deleting collections from the properties of an Object could be considered a bug. The object isn't deleted, it just becomes unlinked and orphan, but nothing tells you that it will be unlinked from the Scene collection. I think by default it should remain on the scene

Maciej Jutrzenka commented

2018-11-30 01:28:52 +01:00

it's a mess i use blender since 2.4x and it was simple workflow u used groups like collections but back on topic.

i tested what u said and yes the object is acctualy in data block but problem is that i have no idea how to get it back... and i use blender since really long time... most people don't even know what we talk about... this is very confuseing and i think the workflow should be as it was, to not make another confusing change. or at least make it super simple. now is simply not working as it should i mean.. how the new people will react to this..

collections_bug3.mp4

next thing i consider this stuff as a bug because that is generally one of the most important feature of new blender and it simply does tottaly diffrent stuff or tottaly not what u expect.

look at this, if u go by this menu it also delete object (i know it does not but... it does for 99% people)
and if u click to add to collection u can only add to collection it already exist i mean what is the point of that O_o.

next thing if u have object and u want that object to be part of few collections u can't do this by M button menu.. u have to go thru that menu in parameters windows.. that dosn't work correctly but suprisingly acctualy allows u to add one object to 2 collections.

collections_bug4.mp4

it's a mess i use blender since 2.4x and it was simple workflow u used groups like collections but back on topic. i tested what u said and yes the object is acctualy in data block but problem is that i have no idea how to get it back... and i use blender since really long time... most people don't even know what we talk about... this is very confuseing and i think the workflow should be as it was, to not make another confusing change. or at least make it super simple. now is simply not working as it should i mean.. how the new people will react to this.. [collections_bug3.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5761422/collections_bug3.mp4) next thing i consider this stuff as a bug because that is generally one of the most important feature of new blender and it simply does tottaly diffrent stuff or tottaly not what u expect. look at this, if u go by this menu it also delete object (i know it does not but... it does for 99% people) and if u click to add to collection u can only add to collection it already exist i mean what is the point of that O_o. next thing if u have object and u want that object to be part of few collections u can't do this by M button menu.. u have to go thru that menu in parameters windows.. that dosn't work correctly but suprisingly acctualy allows u to add one object to 2 collections. [collections_bug4.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5761456/collections_bug4.mp4)

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-30 10:23:02 +01:00

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Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-30 10:23:02 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Brecht Van Lommel closed this issue

2018-11-30 10:23:02 +01:00

Brecht Van Lommel self-assigned this 2018-11-30 10:23:02 +01:00

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-30 10:23:02 +01:00

This part is a work in progress still, will be handled as part of #55099 (Collections (parent task)).

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Collections and Groups huge mess #58234