Blender 2.8 - Pie menus are inaccurate #59102

New Issue

Carlo Andreacchio · 2018-12-10T03:25:50+01:00

Carlo Andreacchio commented

2018-12-10 03:25:50 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Ubuntu 17.10
Graphics card: GTX 1080

Blender Version
Broken: 168a6a4bfc

Short description of error
Pie menus are inaccurate

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Open Blender2.8
go into edit mode
tap .
Try hovering over the 'Active Element Icon'

System Information Operating system: Ubuntu 17.10 Graphics card: GTX 1080 Blender Version Broken: 168a6a4bfc13cbe5c2fb510607b9565de3eb9472 **Short description of error** Pie menus are inaccurate **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** 1. Open Blender2.8 2. go into edit mode 3. tap . 4. Try hovering over the 'Active Element Icon'

Carlo Andreacchio commented

2018-12-10 03:25:50 +01:00

Added subscriber: @candreacchio

blender-admin commented

2018-12-10 03:25:50 +01:00

#74880 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Jacques Lucke commented

2018-12-10 15:23:29 +01:00

Added subscriber: @JacquesLucke

Jacques Lucke commented

2018-12-10 15:23:29 +01:00

Can confirm. The detection of the selected item works not as one would expect.

Can confirm. The detection of the selected item works not as one would expect. ![pie menu inaccurate.gif](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5910675/pie_menu_inaccurate.gif)

Carlo Andreacchio commented

2019-07-26 01:32:09 +02:00

As we are leading up to the main Blender 2.8 release, has this been addressed?

Eric commented

2019-09-05 11:45:48 +02:00

Added subscriber: @JJLee

Eric commented

2019-09-05 11:45:48 +02:00

v2.80 As the image shows mouse is centered 100% on Selection to Cursor yet the Cursor to Grid is selected.

v2.80 As the image shows mouse is centered 100% on Selection to Cursor yet the Cursor to Grid is selected. ![innacurate.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7718022/innacurate.jpg)

Carlo Andreacchio commented

2019-09-21 01:45:46 +02:00

Just prodding again, now that 2.8 has been released and now 2.81 is on the horizon. Is this a target for 2.81?

Carlo Andreacchio commented

2019-12-09 05:40:27 +01:00

Any update on this? Is this a target for 2.82?

Germano Cavalcante commented

2020-01-17 19:36:09 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mano-wii

Germano Cavalcante commented

2020-01-17 19:36:09 +01:00

I can confirm, but I'm not sure if this is a bug.
Apparently the pie menus prioritize the angle and not the position of the cursor over the button.
This seems to be desirable because with agility and muscle memory, the user may prefer to know only the direction of the button and not its position.
Maybe the interface design can be improved, but I don't think it's a bug.

I can confirm, but I'm not sure if this is a bug. Apparently the pie menus prioritize the angle and not the position of the cursor over the button. This seems to be desirable because with agility and muscle memory, the user may prefer to know only the direction of the button and not its position. Maybe the interface design can be improved, but I don't think it's a bug.

Asher commented

2020-01-17 20:26:57 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ThatAsherGuy

Asher commented

2020-01-17 20:26:57 +01:00

There isn't a clean way to use radial selection alone for elements that aren't scaled or displaced to fit their arc quadrants. You could fall back to pointing when an element is under the cursor, using the wedge highlighting suggested in #56949 to distinguish the selection methods, but that's out of scope for a bug.

You can force pointing-based selection by using panels in pies, but that might be too hacky for an official fix.

There isn't a clean way to use radial selection alone for elements that aren't scaled or displaced to fit their arc quadrants. You could fall back to pointing when an element is under the cursor, using the wedge highlighting suggested in #56949 to distinguish the selection methods, but that's out of scope for a bug. You can force pointing-based selection by using panels in pies, but that might be too hacky for an official fix.

William Reynish commented

2020-01-17 20:51:22 +01:00

Added subscriber: @WilliamReynish

William Reynish commented

2020-01-17 20:51:22 +01:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

William Reynish closed this issue

2020-01-17 20:51:22 +01:00

William Reynish self-assigned this 2020-01-17 20:51:22 +01:00

William Reynish commented

2020-01-17 20:51:22 +01:00

This isn’t a bug since it’s working as intended. The UI could improve over time with a clearer visualization of the pie quadrants. That’s in the realm of a design improvement.

William Reynish commented

2020-01-17 20:51:33 +01:00

Changed status from 'Resolved' to: 'Archived'

Carlo Andreacchio commented

2020-01-19 01:18:15 +01:00

@WilliamReynish I would like to dispute this, as if you are hovering over an item, you would expect that item to the selected. Whilst it may be working as intended (as that is the way it is currently programmed), it is not working how it should be.

William Reynish commented

2020-01-19 01:36:51 +01:00

@candreacchio the whole point of pie menus is that they can be done with a gesture. That’s where the name ‘pie’ comes from. Each pie quadrant is exactly that - a pie quadrant and not a button. We should not change that. If we did, it would fundamentally break the core concept of pie menus, and why they are fast.

At best we could change the visual design on the pie menus to make the look more like pie pieces and less like buttons. But that’s just a visual change.

@candreacchio the whole point of pie menus is that they can be done with a gesture. That’s where the name ‘pie’ comes from. Each pie quadrant is exactly that - a pie quadrant and not a button. We should not change that. If we did, it would fundamentally break the core concept of pie menus, and why they are fast. At best we could change the visual design on the pie menus to make the look more like pie pieces and less like buttons. But that’s just a visual change.

Germano Cavalcante commented

2020-03-18 20:57:12 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ErickNyanduKabongo

Erick Tukuniata commented

2020-03-19 20:06:59 +01:00

In #59102#852780, @WilliamReynish wrote:
@candreacchio the whole point of pie menus is that they can be done with a gesture. That’s where the name ‘pie’ comes from. Each pie quadrant is exactly that - a pie quadrant and not a button. We should not change that. If we did, it would fundamentally break the core concept of pie menus, and why they are fast.

At best we could change the visual design on the pie menus to make the look more like pie pieces and less like buttons. But that’s just a visual change.

@WilliamReynish Your logic of gesture being the all point of pie doesn't hold, because first the new user has to know in what direction or place the desired menu is located, the time for him to read the menu and memorize it, the delay for the gesture will be consumed and another point is "shift+s" pie menu has many entry it is making difficult to get the right menu with just a gesture.
I m pretty sure many will agree that a better design for pie menu is to make them like button not just a gesture feature. I looked how many other Apps users use their pie menu and yes they click on it like button.
Please consider redesign this feature.

> In #59102#852780, @WilliamReynish wrote: > @candreacchio the whole point of pie menus is that they can be done with a gesture. That’s where the name ‘pie’ comes from. Each pie quadrant is exactly that - a pie quadrant and not a button. We should not change that. If we did, it would fundamentally break the core concept of pie menus, and why they are fast. > > At best we could change the visual design on the pie menus to make the look more like pie pieces and less like buttons. But that’s just a visual change. @WilliamReynish Your logic of gesture being the all point of pie doesn't hold, because first the new user has to know in what direction or place the desired menu is located, the time for him to read the menu and memorize it, the delay for the gesture will be consumed and another point is "shift+s" pie menu has many entry it is making difficult to get the right menu with just a gesture. I m pretty sure many will agree that a better design for pie menu is to make them like button not just a gesture feature. I looked how many other Apps users use their pie menu and yes they click on it like button. Please consider redesign this feature.

Julien Kaspar commented

2020-03-20 10:41:26 +01:00

Added subscriber: @JulienKaspar

Julien Kaspar commented

2020-03-20 10:41:26 +01:00

I strongly agree with @WilliamReynish here. You may read and carefully pick the pie menu options at first but since there are only 4-8 options to memorize for each (and for some you don't even use all of them most of the time) it's very easy to remember where the desired options are.
So after a minimal amount of time using the pie menus you start learning the gestures instead of using them as buttons.
The visual design needs to be improved so this doesn't look like bug anymore but the core design and usefulness of pie menus shouldn't be harmed.

I strongly agree with @WilliamReynish here. You may read and carefully pick the pie menu options at first but since there are only 4-8 options to memorize for each (and for some you don't even use all of them most of the time) it's very easy to remember where the desired options are. So after a minimal amount of time using the pie menus you start learning the gestures instead of using them as buttons. The visual design needs to be improved so this doesn't look like bug anymore but the core design and usefulness of pie menus shouldn't be harmed.

Erick Tukuniata commented

2020-03-31 20:46:23 +02:00

Guys this is clearly a bad design, we shouldn't make it a big problem, it is obvious.

Guys this is clearly a bad design, we shouldn't make it a big problem, it is obvious. ![YKq0rSm1y1.gif](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8439719/YKq0rSm1y1.gif)

Sign in to join this conversation.

No Label

Download

What's New

Blender Studio

Manual

Developers Blog

Documentation

Benchmark

Blender Conference

Development Fund

One-time Donations

Blender 2.8 - Pie menus are inaccurate #59102