If you hide a collection, your collection instance objects also disapear on Render Cycles and EEVEE. #62214

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Musikdoktor · 2019-03-05T13:33:17+01:00

Musikdoktor commented

2019-03-05 13:33:17 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Win10
Graphics card: gtx 1050ti

Blender Version
Broken:
blender-2.80.0-git.2644e4f8f49b-windows64

Short description of error
Imagine you need few instanced objects, you create a new collection, create the object inside, and in the main collection you add a collection instance..
The problem begins because you still watching the main object in the middle of the scene and you try to hide the collection..
If you hide the new collection on the viewport, and disable on render, the instanced objects also disapear if you try to render it.. in the viewport looks good, but not the render.. in 2.79 you create objects in another layers and instanced in the main layer.. so the objects never appears..
instance.blend1

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
New Scene, Delete the cube.
Create a New Collection (collection2)
Create a Cube inside the (Collection 2)
Hide the Viewport and disable object in render.

Go back to the main Collection..
Add Collection Instance (Collection 2) one or few.. doesn't matter..
Render..

Non of the instanced objects is rendered.. The right behavior is render as the viewport..
Seems the instanced objects also catch the disable object in render..

Additional Comment
Seems Nurbs cannot be instanced..

**System Information** Operating system: Win10 Graphics card: gtx 1050ti **Blender Version** Broken: blender-2.80.0-git.2644e4f8f49b-windows64 **Short description of error** Imagine you need few instanced objects, you create a new collection, create the object inside, and in the main collection you add a collection instance.. The problem begins because you still watching the main object in the middle of the scene and you try to hide the collection.. If you hide the new collection on the viewport, and disable on render, the instanced objects also disapear if you try to render it.. in the viewport looks good, but not the render.. in 2.79 you create objects in another layers and instanced in the main layer.. so the objects never appears.. [instance.blend1](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6765881/instance.blend1) **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** New Scene, Delete the cube. Create a New Collection (collection2) Create a Cube inside the (Collection 2) Hide the Viewport and disable object in render. Go back to the main Collection.. Add Collection Instance (Collection 2) one or few.. doesn't matter.. Render.. Non of the instanced objects is rendered.. The right behavior is render as the viewport.. Seems the instanced objects also catch the disable object in render.. Additional Comment Seems Nurbs cannot be instanced..

Musikdoktor commented

2019-03-05 13:33:17 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Musikdoktor

blender-admin commented

2019-03-05 13:33:17 +01:00

#95993 was marked as duplicate of this issue

blender-admin commented

2019-03-05 13:33:17 +01:00

#61483 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-05 16:50:56 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ZedDB

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-05 16:50:56 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Sebastian Parborg closed this issue

2019-03-05 16:50:56 +01:00

Sebastian Parborg self-assigned this 2019-03-05 16:50:56 +01:00

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-05 16:50:56 +01:00

In 2.79, you would simply move the objects to an other layer (and not include it in the render).
In 2.8 you instead right click the collection go to View Layer -> Set Exclude to do this.

In 2.79, you would simply move the objects to an other layer (and not include it in the render). In 2.8 you instead right click the collection go to View Layer -> Set Exclude to do this.

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-05 16:52:40 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-05 16:52:40 +01:00

Or actually, @mont29 should the shown state in the viewport count at a bug?

Bastien Montagne commented

2019-03-06 08:43:04 +01:00

You can also unlink the collection from the scene, etc. There are several ways to achieve that goal (though the one suggested by @ZedDB is usually the way to go). Definitively not a bug. :)

Musikdoktor commented

2019-03-06 13:37:42 +01:00

Thanks guys for the hard work,
IMO its not a bug, To me is a weird behavior, something easy now is way complicated.. before post this here, i spend many hours looking for a solution and i found few people with the same problem but without a solution.. is not a showstoper, but to me is not user friendly at all..

I was betatester leader on rendering for Truespace in 2009, and since Microsoft closed truespace i tried to jump to blender without any luck. The UI was a limitation for me and many many users to start using blender, 2.8 is far better.. but again, my advice is keep things simple.. not go here, click here, down here.. because the answer can't be "ask to a developer" must be intuitive..

Regards from Uruguay

Thanks guys for the hard work, IMO its not a bug, To me is a weird behavior, something easy now is way complicated.. before post this here, i spend many hours looking for a solution and i found few people with the same problem but without a solution.. is not a showstoper, but to me is not user friendly at all.. I was betatester leader on rendering for Truespace in 2009, and since Microsoft closed truespace i tried to jump to blender without any luck. The UI was a limitation for me and many many users to start using blender, 2.8 is far better.. but again, my advice is keep things simple.. not go here, click here, down here.. because the answer can't be "ask to a developer" must be intuitive.. Regards from Uruguay

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-07 12:41:40 +01:00

Added subscribers: @ohmyblender, @AlexeyShefer, @StephenSwaney

Vincent Xaudaro commented

2019-12-27 23:09:47 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Socksrulez

Vincent Xaudaro commented

2019-12-27 23:09:47 +01:00

Right Click on your Collection -> Visibility -> Disable in Render.

thin soldier commented

2020-12-03 02:20:08 +01:00

Added subscriber: @thinsoldier

thin soldier commented

2020-12-03 02:20:08 +01:00

@Socksrulez "Right Click on your Collection -> Visibility -> Disable in Render." This makes all instances of the collection also not render.

@ZedDB "right click the collection go to View Layer -> Set Exclude" This is now right click > View Layer > Disable from View Layer I assume.

Disable from View Layer removes the original collection from the Outliner and it hides it in the viewport while the intances of the collection remain visible in the viewport. This is good BUT the instances are not visible in the final render!

Also the original collection is nowhere to be found. I spent quite a long time googling before I found out about the other view modes of the Outliner. I can see the original collection when the outliner is set to Blend File but I can not make it reappear in the outliner when set to View Layer. I have tried dragging it from one outliner set to Blend File over to another outliner set to View layer. It does not work.

Thus, I can no longer edit the objects within that original collection and none of the instances render.

This is horrible. This is unintuitive. This is user unfriendly. This is confusing. This also doesn't seem to be documented anywhere that Google or Bing can find. This thread is the top search result for numerous ways I tried to phrase the problem.

In #62214#633585, @Musikdoktor wrote:
the answer can't be "ask to a developer" must be intuitive..

It seems like the .Blend file is broken and there is no way to recover access to edit the original objects in this collection. I can not think of anything else to try other than make a new file, copy and paste the objects that I can access and then recreate the objects that were in that collection from scratch.

@Socksrulez "Right Click on your Collection -> Visibility -> Disable in Render." This makes all instances of the collection also not render. @ZedDB "right click the collection go to View Layer -> Set Exclude" This is now `right click > View Layer > Disable from View Layer` ***I assume***. `Disable from View Layer` removes the original collection from the Outliner and it hides it in the viewport while the intances of the collection remain visible in the viewport. This is good BUT the instances are not visible in the final render! Also the original collection is nowhere to be found. I spent quite a long time googling before I found out about the other view modes of the Outliner. I can see the original collection when the outliner is set to `Blend File` but I can not make it reappear in the outliner when set to `View Layer`. I have tried dragging it from one outliner set to Blend File over to another outliner set to View layer. It does not work. Thus, I can no longer edit the objects within that original collection and none of the instances render. This is horrible. This is unintuitive. This is user unfriendly. This is confusing. This also doesn't seem to be documented anywhere that Google or Bing can find. This thread is the top search result for numerous ways I tried to phrase the problem. > In #62214#633585, @Musikdoktor wrote: > the answer can't be "ask to a developer" must be intuitive.. It seems like the .Blend file is broken and there is no way to recover access to edit the original objects in this collection. I can not think of anything else to try other than make a new file, copy and paste the objects that I can access and then recreate the objects that were in that collection from scratch.

thin soldier commented

2020-12-03 02:58:49 +01:00

Upon further investigation I realize now that if you don't have the checkbox (Exclude from View Layer) Restriction Toggle enabled, the Outliner (in View Layer mode) does not display excluded collections.

Exclude from View Layer should be renamed to Include. Ticked means it's Included. Unticked means it's Excluded.

Here's why I disble that checkbox in the first place: If you have 5 objects in a collection and you hide (eyeball) 3 of them and then untick and retick that checkbox, all of the eyeball logos are active again. This is frustrating for anyone accustomed to using other software with basic photoshop-layer-like functionality.

Upon further investigation I realize now that if you don't have the checkbox (Exclude from View Layer) Restriction Toggle enabled, the Outliner (in View Layer mode) does not display excluded collections. Exclude from View Layer should be renamed to Include. Ticked means it's Included. Unticked means it's Excluded. Here's why I disble that checkbox in the first place: If you have 5 objects in a collection and you hide (eyeball) 3 of them and then untick and retick that checkbox, all of the eyeball logos are active again. This is frustrating for anyone accustomed to using other software with basic photoshop-layer-like functionality.

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-23 14:29:57 +01:00

Added subscriber: @barakooda

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If you hide a collection, your collection instance objects also disapear on Render Cycles and EEVEE. #62214