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Null audio device and AV Sync halts playback #65231

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opened 2019-05-28 14:16:23 +02:00 by mantissa · 17 comments
mantissa commented 2019-05-28 14:16:23 +02:00
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Operating system: Linux-4.19.45_1-x86_64-with-glibc2.9 64 Bits
Graphics card: TITAN X (Pascal)/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.14

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Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 72), branch: blender2.7, commit date: 2019-05-26 22:34, hash: d525c76003
Worked: A few weeks before

Short description of error
When changing the Audio Device to "Null" in the Preferences, AV-Sync playback locks up.
Switching back to "No Sync" or "Frame Dropping" returns to normal behavior and hitting space bar plays the scene once again.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

  • Choose "Null" option in Audio Device settings.
  • Switch to "AV Sync" (or "Jack") in playback options
  • Hitting space bar tries to play but stops immediately on the same frame.
  • Other playback options work fine
  • Additionally, switching to "Jack" on linux without it installed causes a short hang (~7s on my machine) but doesn't crash Blender, even after multiple attempts. AV Sync lock behavior is present here as well.
**System Information** Operating system: Linux-4.19.45_1-x86_64-with-glibc2.9 64 Bits Graphics card: TITAN X (Pascal)/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.14 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 72), branch: blender2.7, commit date: 2019-05-26 22:34, hash: `d525c76003` Worked: A few weeks before **Short description of error** When changing the Audio Device to "Null" in the Preferences, AV-Sync playback locks up. Switching back to "No Sync" or "Frame Dropping" returns to normal behavior and hitting space bar plays the scene once again. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** - Choose "Null" option in Audio Device settings. - Switch to "AV Sync" (or "Jack") in playback options - Hitting space bar tries to play but stops immediately on the same frame. - Other playback options work fine - Additionally, switching to "Jack" on linux without it installed causes a short hang (~7s on my machine) but doesn't crash Blender, even after multiple attempts. AV Sync lock behavior is present here as well.
mantissa commented 2019-05-28 14:16:23 +02:00
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Jacques Lucke commented 2019-05-28 14:26:29 +02:00
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Jacques Lucke commented 2019-05-28 14:26:29 +02:00
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I cannot reproduce it.
But maybe it is related to #64644?

Are you able to reproduce the issue explained there?

I cannot reproduce it. But maybe it is related to #64644? Are you able to reproduce the issue explained there?
mantissa commented 2019-05-28 14:55:13 +02:00
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That works fine on my end.
Just tried resetting my preferences real quick and then it works again.
Maybe it's something I've set up in my startup file / preferences?
I've attached a scene where it's not working with my current setup together with my user prefs and startup file.
Only changed some basic preferences and some UI, so it looks like something I've set up a specific way.

I'll download todays build and see when the bug occurs when setting up my startup and prefs.av_sync.zip

That works fine on my end. Just tried resetting my preferences real quick and then it works again. Maybe it's something I've set up in my startup file / preferences? I've attached a scene where it's not working with my current setup together with my user prefs and startup file. Only changed some basic preferences and some UI, so it looks like something I've set up a specific way. I'll download todays build and see when the bug occurs when setting up my startup and prefs.[av_sync.zip](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7075339/av_sync.zip)
mantissa commented 2019-05-29 00:15:04 +02:00
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Found the issue while reconfiguring from scratch, changing the Audio Device in the preferences to "Null" halts playback.
I've updated the description to reflect the issue more clearly.

Found the issue while reconfiguring from scratch, changing the Audio Device in the preferences to "Null" halts playback. I've updated the description to reflect the issue more clearly.
William Reynish commented 2019-05-29 00:49:40 +02:00
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William Reynish commented 2019-05-29 00:49:40 +02:00
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Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'
William Reynish self-assigned this 2019-05-29 00:49:40 +02:00
William Reynish commented 2019-05-29 00:49:40 +02:00
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This doesn't seem like a bug. If there is no audio device, then there is no audio to sync with.

I don't really know why we have the option of setting the Audio Device to Null - @brecht any idea why we have this?

This doesn't seem like a bug. If there is no audio device, then there is no audio to sync with. I don't really know why we have the option of setting the Audio Device to Null - @brecht any idea why we have this?
Brecht Van Lommel commented 2019-05-29 13:00:38 +02:00
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Changed status from 'Archived' to: 'Open'

Changed status from 'Archived' to: 'Open'
Brecht Van Lommel commented 2019-05-29 13:00:38 +02:00
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I guess it's mainly if you are building without audio, or need it as a workaround if there is some issue with with audio.

Still would consider this a bug, but a low priority one.

I guess it's mainly if you are building without audio, or need it as a workaround if there is some issue with with audio. Still would consider this a bug, but a low priority one.
Brecht Van Lommel changed title from Setting timeline to AV Sync halts playback to Null audio device and AV Sync halts playback 2019-05-29 13:01:01 +02:00
William Reynish was unassigned by Brecht Van Lommel 2019-05-29 13:01:01 +02:00
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mantissa commented 2019-05-29 14:03:48 +02:00
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OpenAL tends to mess with some of the other PulseAudio devices when starting Blender, causing recordings to get garbled or internal sample rates to get mixed.
This can happen during streaming sessions or whilst having other audio editing applications open.
I tend to set it to "Null" so it doesn't interfere with the other open applications.

OpenAL tends to mess with some of the other PulseAudio devices when starting Blender, causing recordings to get garbled or internal sample rates to get mixed. This can happen during streaming sessions or whilst having other audio editing applications open. I tend to set it to "Null" so it doesn't interfere with the other open applications.
Joerg Mueller commented 2019-05-29 14:05:59 +02:00
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@WilliamReynish perfectly described it when he wrote

If there is no audio device, then there is no audio to sync with.

So the behavior is intended! The only thing I could think of that we could change here is to disable/hide A/V sync when the audio device is Null.

@WilliamReynish perfectly described it when he wrote > If there is no audio device, then there is no audio to sync with. So the behavior is intended! The only thing I could think of that we could change here is to disable/hide A/V sync when the audio device is Null.
Brecht Van Lommel commented 2019-05-29 14:07:52 +02:00
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The only thing I could think of that we could change here is to disable/hide A/V sync when the audio device is Null.

That's what it should do, just silently disable AV-Sync, not break playback.

> The only thing I could think of that we could change here is to disable/hide A/V sync when the audio device is Null. That's what it should do, just silently disable AV-Sync, not break playback.
Joerg Mueller commented 2019-05-29 14:13:30 +02:00
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What happens if you open a file that has AV-sync set? There you'll have the same behavior still. Or you set the synchronization to something else, which might not be what the user wants. I'm a bit hesitant in changing stuff without letting the user know. Especially, I would expect a file not to change if I only open and save it - independent of my user preference settings.

What happens if you open a file that has AV-sync set? There you'll have the same behavior still. Or you set the synchronization to something else, which might not be what the user wants. I'm a bit hesitant in changing stuff without letting the user know. Especially, I would expect a file not to change if I only open and save it - independent of my user preference settings.
Brecht Van Lommel commented 2019-05-29 15:44:07 +02:00
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The user interface or settings should not change, it should just not do A/V sync in the playback operator. If there is no audio device playing back audio, there no syncing to audio to be done, I don't think the user needs to be notified about that.

The user interface or settings should not change, it should just not do A/V sync in the playback operator. If there is no audio device playing back audio, there no syncing to audio to be done, I don't think the user needs to be notified about that.
blender-admin commented 2019-05-30 14:21:58 +02:00
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This issue was referenced by 05138d2c4e

This issue was referenced by 05138d2c4ea21f75b9de57fa41f5c303c24cd655
Joerg Mueller commented 2019-05-30 14:23:05 +02:00
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Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'
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