Outliner toggle animatability #74371

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ChristopherAnderssarian · 2020-03-02T17:06:30+01:00

2020-03-02 17:06:30 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows 7
GPU: Radeon Vega 64, Divider version: 19.12.2
CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X

Blender Version(s)
(listed are versions tested)

Working: blender-2.79b-f4dc9f9d68b-windows64 (official release)
Broken: Blender 2.80-2.82 (official releases)

Short description of error

The animatability of objects, collection (layers) etc... are not available as they were in 2.7X

2.7X UI (friendly)	Data	2.8X UI (friendly)	Data
Exclude Render Layers from having any influence	`bpy.context.scene.render.layers["RenderLayer"].layers_exclude- [x]`	Exclude from View	`bpy.context.scene.exclude`
Restrict Viewport Selection	`bpy.data.objects["In Collection 02"].hide_select = False`	Disable Selection	`bpy.data.collections.hide_select`
ZMask Scene Layer for solid faces	`bpy.context.scene.render.layers["RenderLayer"].layers_zmask[10] = False`	Holdout	`bpy.context.scene.holdout`
? (new property)	? (new property)	Indirect Only	`bpy.context.scene.indirect_only`
These properties will be printed on the info editor.

To show what I mean, I've created a .blend in 2.79b with all the things listed above.

2.79_Demo.blend

Open the .blend file in 2.79b and ues the functionality:

Restricted Viewport Selection in curtin frames
Masking until frame 4
Layer excluded completely until frame 9

None of this works in the listed broken versions... and there is seemingly no mention in the release notes of this being designed not to function anymore.

I'm not sure, nor can I think, of a reason why you can't animate these and other properties collection wide.
Example: All these toggle are not animatable:

I don't know that would constitute a bug as there's nothing to compare the functionality to. I'm sure it just hasn't been added (yet).

**System Information** Operating system: Windows 7 GPU: Radeon Vega 64, Divider version: 19.12.2 CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X **Blender Version(s)** *(listed are versions tested)* Working: `blender-2.79b-f4dc9f9d68b-windows64` (official release) Broken: Blender 2.80-2.82 (official releases) **Short description of error** The animatability of objects, collection (layers) etc... are not available as they were in 2.7X | 2.7X UI (friendly) | Data | 2.8X UI (friendly) | Data | | -- | -- | -- | -- | | Exclude Render Layers from having any influence | `bpy.context.scene.render.layers["RenderLayer"].layers_exclude- [x]` | Exclude from View | `bpy.context.scene.exclude` | | Restrict Viewport Selection | `bpy.data.objects["In Collection 02"].hide_select = False` | Disable Selection | `bpy.data.collections.hide_select` | | ZMask Scene Layer for solid faces | `bpy.context.scene.render.layers["RenderLayer"].layers_zmask[10] = False` | Holdout | `bpy.context.scene.holdout` | | ? (new property) | ? (new property) | Indirect Only | `bpy.context.scene.indirect_only` | These properties will be printed on the info editor. To show what I mean, I've created a .blend in 2.79b with all the things listed above. [2.79_Demo.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8383892/2.79_Demo.blend) Open the .blend file in 2.79b and ues the functionality: - Restricted Viewport Selection in curtin frames - Masking until frame 4 - Layer excluded completely until frame 9 None of this works in the listed broken versions... and there is seemingly no mention in the release notes of this being designed not to function anymore. ___ I'm not sure, nor can I think, of a reason why you can't animate these and other properties collection wide. Example: **All** these toggle are not animatable: ![Outliner_2.83_Only_Collection_Collection.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8383897/Outliner_2.83_Only_Collection_Collection.png) I don't know that would constitute a bug as there's nothing to compare the functionality to. *I'm sure it just hasn't been added (yet).*

ChristopherAnderssarian commented

2020-03-02 17:06:30 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ChristopherAnderssarian

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-03-02 17:53:02 +01:00

Added subscriber: @dr.sybren

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-03-02 17:53:02 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Archived'

Sybren A. Stüvel closed this issue

2020-03-02 17:53:02 +01:00

Sybren A. Stüvel self-assigned this 2020-03-02 17:53:02 +01:00

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-03-02 17:53:02 +01:00

I don't understand what you mean. The properties you list don't exist in either Blender 2.79 or Blender 2.80. Certain settings in the outliner aren't animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is.

ChristopherAnderssarian commented

2020-03-02 20:22:25 +01:00

In #74371#883691, @dr.sybren wrote:
I don't understand what you mean.

Thank you for being honest, it's very refreshing to experience.

The properties you list don't exist in either Blender 2.79 or Blender 2.80.

I've updated the report to hopefully communicate the issue more clearly.

Certain settings in the outliner aren't animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is.

You're gonna have to elaborate more on the topic than just "design" as that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, in terms of Blender development.

I mean, I of all people would know about #72625 (Outliner visibility keying doesn't carry over from 2.79b), but there I was explicitly talking about objects.
Here I'm lazer focused on collections (adding selectability [for objects]; to see what will be make of that)

...animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is.

Please do note the last section of the report.

> In #74371#883691, @dr.sybren wrote: > I don't understand what you mean. Thank you for being honest, it's very refreshing to experience. > The properties you list don't exist in either Blender 2.79 or Blender 2.80. I've updated the report to hopefully communicate the issue more clearly. > Certain settings in the outliner aren't animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is. You're gonna have to elaborate more on the topic than just "design" as that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, in terms of Blender development. I mean, I of all people would know about #72625 (Outliner visibility keying doesn't carry over from 2.79b), but there I was explicitly talking about objects. Here I'm lazer focused on collections (adding selectability [for objects]; to see what will be make of that) > ...animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is. Please do note the last section of the report.

ChristopherAnderssarian commented

2020-03-05 14:58:41 +01:00

@dr.sybren Polite nudge...

@dr.sybren *Polite nudge...*

ChristopherAnderssarian commented

2020-03-07 12:39:53 +01:00

@dr.sybren Polite Poke...

@dr.sybren *Polite Poke...*

ChristopherAnderssarian commented

2020-03-09 11:48:12 +01:00

@dr.sybren Polite weekday nudge...

@dr.sybren *Polite weekday nudge...*

Sybren A. Stüvel removed their assignment 2020-03-09 15:18:19 +01:00

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-03-09 15:18:19 +01:00

Added subscriber: @dfelinto

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-03-09 15:18:19 +01:00

@ChristopherAnderssarian stop poking, it doesn't make anyone work any faster, and poking every two days including the weekend is just counter-productive.

In #74371#883691, @dr.sybren wrote:
Certain settings in the outliner aren't animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is.

I was mistaken, object viewport/render visibility is animatable, but the collection properties are not.

In #74371#883766, @ChristopherAnderssarian wrote:
You're gonna have to elaborate more on the topic than just "design" as that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, in terms of Blender development.

Not sure what you mean here. When talking about development, "design" means "thinkinking about how things should work before starting the implementation". No idea why you wouldn't like that.

I checked with @dfelinto and he said it had to do with limitations of the dependency graph, at least at that time. As such, this is not a bug in Blender. I'll keep the task open as a reminder to reevaluate the depsgraph situation, maybe we can make more fields animatable now.

@ChristopherAnderssarian stop poking, it doesn't make anyone work any faster, and poking every two days including the weekend is just counter-productive. > In #74371#883691, @dr.sybren wrote: > Certain settings in the outliner aren't animatable by design, but viewport/render visibility certainly is. I was mistaken, object viewport/render visibility is animatable, but the collection properties are not. > In #74371#883766, @ChristopherAnderssarian wrote: > You're gonna have to elaborate more on the topic than just "design" as that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, in terms of Blender development. Not sure what you mean here. When talking about development, "design" means "thinkinking about how things should work before starting the implementation". No idea why you wouldn't like that. I checked with @dfelinto and he said it had to do with limitations of the dependency graph, at least at that time. As such, this is not a bug in Blender. I'll keep the task open as a reminder to reevaluate the depsgraph situation, maybe we can make more fields animatable now.

Dalai Felinto commented

2020-03-09 16:01:35 +01:00

Changed status from 'Archived' to: 'Confirmed'

Dalai Felinto reopened this issue

2020-03-09 16:01:35 +01:00

Philipp Oeser removed the

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Outliner toggle animatability #74371