VSE seems to delete blend files after opening and sometimes after saving. #84341

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Andrew Dobson · 2021-01-03T08:29:10+01:00

Andrew Dobson commented

2021-01-03 08:29:10 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Linux-5.4.0-58-generic-x86_64-with-debian-bullseye-sid 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1650/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 450.80.02

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.91.0, branch: master, commit date: 2020-11-25 08:34, hash: 0f45cab862
Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected)

Short description of error
VSE seems to delete blend files after opening and sometimes after saving.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
After opening a VSE .blend file containing large (4 hr) video files the .blend file is removed from the working directory.
Sometimes these .blend files are also deleted sometime after saving
On save and exit from Blender via the File --> Exit the .blend file is missing and must be recovered on the next session start

All files are in the same directory Blender should have adequate permissions.

Errors reported:
On save:
Unable to make version backup
Version backup failed (file saved with @)

**System Information** Operating system: Linux-5.4.0-58-generic-x86_64-with-debian-bullseye-sid 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1650/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 450.80.02 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.91.0, branch: master, commit date: 2020-11-25 08:34, hash: `0f45cab862` Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected) **Short description of error** VSE seems to delete blend files after opening and sometimes after saving. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** After opening a VSE .blend file containing large (4 hr) video files the .blend file is removed from the working directory. Sometimes these .blend files are also deleted sometime after saving On save and exit from Blender via the File --> Exit the .blend file is missing and must be recovered on the next session start All files are in the same directory Blender should have adequate permissions. Errors reported: On save: Unable to make version backup Version backup failed (file saved with @)

Andrew Dobson commented

2021-01-03 08:29:10 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Magdes

Germano Cavalcante commented

2021-01-06 15:57:31 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mano-wii

Germano Cavalcante commented

2021-01-06 15:57:31 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Germano Cavalcante commented

2021-01-06 15:57:31 +01:00

Thanks for the report, but I fear this can't be triaged as a complete bug report :
For the development team to be able to help, there needs to be reproducible steps (start blender, press this, then that ...).
Reports without steps for others to reproduce the error take a long time to be investigated, so priority is given to other reports.

After each save, blender create a backup file .blend1 are you working on a backup file?

Thanks for the report, but I fear this can't be triaged as a complete bug report :\ For the development team to be able to help, there needs to be reproducible steps (start blender, press this, then that ...). Reports without steps for others to reproduce the error take a long time to be investigated, so priority is given to other reports. After each save, blender create a backup file `.blend1` are you working on a backup file?

Richard Antalik commented

2021-01-19 20:57:42 +01:00

Added subscriber: @iss

Richard Antalik commented

2021-01-19 20:57:42 +01:00

I think I can reproduce this with disk cache enabled if .blend file is located in same path as disk cache is.

@Magdes Click on Edit > Preferences, then in preferences window go to System tab and expand Video Sequencer panel
Check if Use Disk Cache is enabled

If it is enabled check if Directory is same as path to .blend file

Disk cache subdir has same name as .blend file, if there is no versioning file in that directory doesn't have versioning file cache will try to remove it with BLI_delete(path, false, true).
Attempt to delete file with this function fails on Windows, because it expects directory, I will check on Linux as well.

Disk cache directory is meant to be system wide directory dedicated only for cache, and it shouldn't contain .blend files. So not sure if this would be bug or not strictly speaking.
I would say that it definitely shouldn't delete .blend files though.

I think I can reproduce this with disk cache enabled if .blend file is located in same path as disk cache is. @Magdes Click on Edit > Preferences, then in preferences window go to System tab and expand Video Sequencer panel Check if Use Disk Cache is enabled If it is enabled check if Directory is same as path to .blend file Disk cache subdir has same name as .blend file, if there is no versioning file in that directory doesn't have versioning file cache will try to remove it with `BLI_delete(path, false, true)`. Attempt to delete file with this function fails on Windows, because it expects directory, I will check on Linux as well. Disk cache directory is meant to be system wide directory dedicated only for cache, and it shouldn't contain .blend files. So not sure if this would be bug or not strictly speaking. I would say that it definitely shouldn't delete .blend files though.

Andrew Dobson commented

2021-01-20 09:33:53 +01:00

Added subscribers: @Germano, @richard-27

Andrew Dobson commented

2021-01-20 09:33:53 +01:00

I do have Use Disk Cache enabled and it was pointing at another directory. I've changed it to point to the same directory as the blend files.

The problem manifests slightly differently now.

Updated steps to reproduce the issue with the directory change mentioned above:

Starting condition: blend file in the same directory as the disk cache, no other files in the directory at blender start

Start blender
Click on blend file from the launch menu recent files list (my file is x008.blend)
In the file explorer x008.blend gets turned into a folder
Saving the file without changes (ctrl + s) results in the blend file being turned into a directory and renamed to x008.blend1 and a new regular blend file called x008.blend being created
Saving the file again creates another new file called x008.blend@ and an error: Version backup failed (file saved with @)
Quitting and clicking on x008.blend in the launch menu recent files list results in the following error: File format is not supported in file '/pathtofile/x008.blend'
File > recover last session doesn't work
File > recover > autosave > quit.blend does work

Launching by clicking on x008.blend@ in the file explorer does work, but now I'm in a loop that will append @ to my file extension after my second save attempt (x008.blend@@, x008.blend@@@ etc...)

Thanks again for your help @Germano Cavalcante (mano-wii) and @richard-27 Antalik (ISS)

I do have Use Disk Cache enabled and it was pointing at another directory. I've changed it to point to the same directory as the blend files. The problem manifests slightly differently now. Updated steps to reproduce the issue with the directory change mentioned above: Starting condition: blend file in the same directory as the disk cache, no other files in the directory at blender start - Start blender - Click on blend file from the launch menu recent files list (my file is x008.blend) - In the file explorer x008.blend gets turned into a folder - Saving the file without changes (ctrl + s) results in the blend file being turned into a directory and renamed to x008.blend1 and a new regular blend file called x008.blend being created - Saving the file again creates another new file called x008.blend@ and an error: Version backup failed (file saved with @) - Quitting and clicking on x008.blend in the launch menu recent files list results in the following error: File format is not supported in file '/pathtofile/x008.blend' - File > recover last session doesn't work - File > recover > autosave > quit.blend does work # Launching by clicking on x008.blend@ in the file explorer does work, but now I'm in a loop that will append @ to my file extension after my second save attempt (x008.blend@@, x008.blend@@@ etc...) Thanks again for your help @Germano Cavalcante (mano-wii) and @richard-27 Antalik (ISS)

Richard Antalik commented

2021-01-21 00:59:19 +01:00

Removed subscriber: @richard-27

Richard Antalik commented

2021-01-21 00:59:19 +01:00

@Magdes Thanks for information.

Turning file into folder is not very good either, and I will make fix for that.

Now I would like to check your original problem again, when disk cache directory was not same as path to .blend file.

Can you check if .blend file will get deleted if you disable disk cache?

@Magdes Thanks for information. Turning file into folder is not very good either, and I will make fix for that. Now I would like to check your original problem again, when disk cache directory was **not same** as path to .blend file. Can you check if .blend file will get deleted if you disable disk cache?

Andrew Dobson commented

2021-01-22 06:42:05 +01:00

I've tried a few different directories on different physical disks, but I am unable to reproduce the original behaviour. I am still seeing the .blend file to directory and blend file to blend file@ problems though.

Richard Antalik commented

2021-01-23 01:33:07 +01:00

I think this is problem unrelated to sequencer. I thought about disk cache, only because it uses .blend file name in it's path and it does delete files, but issue there is different.

In #84341#1098483, @Magdes wrote:
I've tried a few different directories on different physical disks, but I am unable to reproduce the original behaviour. I am still seeing the .blend file to directory and blend file to blend file@ problems though.

Provide as much information as you can, that is provide .blend file you have problems with, go to directory of .blend file in console and run pwd; echo test > test.txt; mv test.txt test.txt1; ls -al; rm test.txt1 and paste output here.
Do you have this problem with all .blend files in all locations?
Do you have problems whe you create new .blend file? Or does Blender behave normally in some case?

Also check if this is regression in 2.91 - try checking older releases down to 2.79 from https://download.blender.org/release/
And check latest alpha as well https://builder.blender.org/download/

I think this is problem unrelated to sequencer. I thought about disk cache, only because it uses .blend file name in it's path and it does delete files, but issue there is different. > In #84341#1098483, @Magdes wrote: > I've tried a few different directories on different physical disks, but I am unable to reproduce the original behaviour. I am still seeing the .blend file to directory and blend file to blend file@ problems though. Provide as much information as you can, that is provide .blend file you have problems with, go to directory of .blend file in console and run `pwd; echo test > test.txt; mv test.txt test.txt1; ls -al; rm test.txt1` and paste output here. Do you have this problem with all .blend files in all locations? Do you have problems whe you create new .blend file? Or does Blender behave normally in some case? Also check if this is regression in 2.91 - try checking older releases down to 2.79 from https://download.blender.org/release/ And check latest alpha as well https://builder.blender.org/download/

Sergey Sharybin commented

2021-05-10 09:32:35 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Sergey

Sergey Sharybin commented

2021-05-10 09:32:35 +02:00

Is this issue still happening? Anyone managed to reproduce?

Richard Antalik commented

2021-05-10 10:23:25 +02:00

In #84341#1158465, @Sergey wrote:
Is this issue still happening? Anyone managed to reproduce?

I wasn't able to reproduce issue as described, but there is issue when you can set disk cache path to // and it would turn .blend file into directory. I forgot to fix this issue. I should have made new report for that, so I won't forget as that is quite serious bug.

> In #84341#1158465, @Sergey wrote: > Is this issue still happening? Anyone managed to reproduce? I wasn't able to reproduce issue as described, but there is issue when you can set disk cache path to `//` and it would turn .blend file into directory. I forgot to fix this issue. I should have made new report for that, so I won't forget as that is quite serious bug.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2021-05-10 10:54:24 +02:00

Can you handle this now? :)

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-28 08:54:52 +02:00

Added subscriber: @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-28 08:54:52 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Needs Developer To Reproduce'

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-28 08:54:52 +02:00

What is the status of this @iss?

Richard Antalik commented

2021-05-28 15:31:10 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Developer To Reproduce' to: 'Needs User Info'

Richard Antalik commented

2021-05-28 15:31:10 +02:00

Disk cache issue has been resolved, Looking through messages and original report ,I think that this could be cause of original issue (file saved with @ due to folder with same name created). But also it has been said, that different cache directory was used when issue has been reported.

@Magdes Can you download latest 2.93 or 3.0 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/ and check if issue has been resolved?

If there are no issues anymore this could be closed and 5368859a66 could be considered as fix.

Disk cache issue has been resolved, Looking through messages and original report ,I think that this could be cause of original issue (file saved with `@` due to folder with same name created). But also it has been said, that different cache directory was used when issue has been reported. @Magdes Can you download latest 2.93 or 3.0 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/ and check if issue has been resolved? If there are no issues anymore this could be closed and 5368859a66 could be considered as fix.

Richard Antalik commented

2021-06-07 05:07:18 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Archived'

Richard Antalik closed this issue

2021-06-07 05:07:18 +02:00

Richard Antalik commented

2021-06-07 05:07:18 +02:00

No activity for more than a week. As per the tracker policy we assume the issue is gone and can be closed.

Thanks again for the report. If the problem persists please open a new report.

No activity for more than a week. As per the tracker policy we assume the issue is gone and can be closed. Thanks again for the report. If the problem persists please open a new report.

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VSE seems to delete blend files after opening and sometimes after saving. #84341

Launching by clicking on x008.blend@ in the file explorer does work, but now I'm in a loop that will append @ to my file extension after my second save attempt (x008.blend@@, x008.blend@@@ etc...)