Pose sliding tools improvements - bone system starts invisible #88340

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Reiner Prokein · 2021-05-17T09:47:47+02:00

Reiner Prokein commented

2021-05-17 09:47:47 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 461.09

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.0.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2021-05-16 05:49, hash:

Worked before commit Animation: Pose sliding tools improvements, SHA-1: 9797b95f61

Improve the "In Betweens" tools:

Push Pose from Rest Pose
Relax Pose to Rest Pose
Push Pose from Breakdown
Relax Pose to Breakdown
Pose Breakdowner

Short description of error
The bones system starts now invisible when you use the In-Between tools. Before the commit the bones system stayed visible when entering the In-Between tools.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Create a bones system
Create two keyframes
Switch to Pose mode
Go to Pose menu > In-Betweens and activate one of the tools
The bones system will vanish. You need to press H to reveal it.

EDIT, this also affects the In-Between tools in the tool shelf.

2021-05-17 09-39-01.mp4

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 461.09 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.0.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2021-05-16 05:49, hash: Worked before commit Animation: Pose sliding tools improvements, SHA-1: 9797b95f617561dc87b702e1bce829a551260689 Improve the "In Betweens" tools: - Push Pose from Rest Pose - Relax Pose to Rest Pose - Push Pose from Breakdown - Relax Pose to Breakdown - Pose Breakdowner **Short description of error** The bones system starts now invisible when you use the In-Between tools. Before the commit the bones system stayed visible when entering the In-Between tools. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Create a bones system Create two keyframes Switch to Pose mode Go to Pose menu > In-Betweens and activate one of the tools The bones system will vanish. You need to press H to reveal it. EDIT, this also affects the In-Between tools in the tool shelf. ![affected.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F10116065/affected.jpg) [2021-05-17 09-39-01.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F10115909/2021-05-17_09-39-01.mp4)

Reiner Prokein commented

2021-05-17 09:47:47 +02:00

Added subscriber: @tiles

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-17 16:33:13 +02:00

Added subscriber: @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-17 16:33:13 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Confirmed'

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-17 16:33:13 +02:00

Can confirm.

Christoph Lendenfeld commented

2021-05-17 23:10:50 +02:00

Added subscriber: @ChrisLend

Christoph Lendenfeld commented

2021-05-17 23:10:50 +02:00

This is technically not a bug
It was discussed during the bi weekly animation meeting that bones should be hidden during pose slide to remove visual clutter and so you can focus on the shape of the geometry

I see how it can be confusing though, and I'll bring it up again next week

This is technically not a bug It was discussed during the bi weekly animation meeting that bones should be hidden during pose slide to remove visual clutter and so you can focus on the shape of the geometry I see how it can be confusing though, and I'll bring it up again next week

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-17 23:23:11 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Needs Developer To Reproduce'

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-17 23:23:11 +02:00

Sorry, see it now being mentioned in the commit message.
And in fact, this is even mentioned in the status bar.

If this has gone through the module brains, then this is a different story [to me, it was very unexpected though]

Sorry, see it now being mentioned in the commit message. And in fact, this is even mentioned in the status bar. If this has gone through the module brains, then this is a different story [to me, it was very unexpected though]

Campbell Barton commented

2021-05-18 06:29:02 +02:00

Added subscriber: @ideasman42

Campbell Barton commented

2021-05-18 06:29:02 +02:00

I also though this was a bug, before looking into the commit further and realizing it was intended behavior #88337 (Pose Slide doesn't draw until complete).

Reiner Prokein commented

2021-05-18 09:01:26 +02:00

Friends, you need to see the pose to be able to push the pose to the needed result. When you can't see what you are doing then this feature is broken. Before this patch the behaviour was correct.

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego commented

2021-05-18 09:04:01 +02:00

Added subscriber: @LucianoMunoz

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego commented

2021-05-18 09:04:01 +02:00

this is intended, as when you look at the pose you care about the pose of the deformed mesh (i e character) not the controllers/ bones.

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego commented

2021-05-18 09:04:52 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Developer To Reproduce' to: 'Resolved'

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego closed this issue

2021-05-18 09:04:52 +02:00

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego self-assigned this 2021-05-18 09:04:52 +02:00

Reiner Prokein commented

2021-05-18 09:18:54 +02:00

I see the resolved label here. But where is the solution?

For me it makes the In-Betweens useless when i cannot see the bones anymore. The pose is defined by the bones, not by the mesh.

I see the resolved label here. But where is the solution? For me it makes the In-Betweens useless when i cannot see the bones anymore. The pose is defined by the bones, not by the mesh.

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-05-18 10:39:53 +02:00

But where is the solution?

I assume the solution is the {key H} key as hinted at in the status bar.
(personally, I would have preferred to do it the other way around -- have it visible by default and use the {key H} key to hide, but I am not an animator)

> But where is the solution? I assume the solution is the {key H} key as hinted at in the status bar. (personally, I would have preferred to do it the other way around -- have it visible by default and use the {key H} key to hide, but I am not an animator)

Reiner Prokein commented

2021-05-18 10:53:30 +02:00

Ah, thanks. So basically it works as designed. And will not change anymore.

(I have rigged and animated thousands of meshes in my life if this is of some help. I understand that sometimes you want to have the bones out of the way. But sometimes not. This falls under personal preferences and workflow. But i am pretty sure that you will see equal bug reports that the bones are missing in the nearer future. That's why i have made this bug report. Just look at the comments here in the issue. Everybody else thought it is a bug too.

It is imho the wrong default now. It has changed from something well known and working to something unexpected. Now under some circumstances you cannot work anymore with the tools until you discover the H key to reveal the bones. It looks broken to somebody who is new to the tool. The other way around was how it worked just fine for many years. Easy to discover and working without any thinking under all circumstances.

But i don't want to discuss this to death. It's your decision. I was just curious if i have missed a commit. So thanks for the explanation :) )

Ah, thanks. So basically it works as designed. And will not change anymore. (I have rigged and animated thousands of meshes in my life if this is of some help. I understand that sometimes you want to have the bones out of the way. But sometimes not. This falls under personal preferences and workflow. But i am pretty sure that you will see equal bug reports that the bones are missing in the nearer future. That's why i have made this bug report. Just look at the comments here in the issue. Everybody else thought it is a bug too. It is imho the wrong default now. It has changed from something well known and working to something unexpected. Now under some circumstances you cannot work anymore with the tools until you discover the H key to reveal the bones. It looks broken to somebody who is new to the tool. The other way around was how it worked just fine for many years. Easy to discover and working without any thinking under all circumstances. But i don't want to discuss this to death. It's your decision. I was just curious if i have missed a commit. So thanks for the explanation :) )

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Pose sliding tools improvements - bone system starts invisible #88340