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opened 2023-03-31 17:45:35 +02:00 by Vitaliy · 15 comments
Vitaliy commented 2023-03-31 17:45:35 +02:00
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Broken: version: 3.4.1, branch: blender-v3.4-release, commit date: 2022-12-19 17:00, hash: rB55485cb379f7

This was "fixed" by e7a3a2c261
This is also "wrong" in 3.3 LTS.

Short description of error
Strange shading when motion blur is on.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Open the attached .blend file, turn motion blur on and off, see differences in renders.

When motion blur is off, image in viewport and in render looks normal:
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When motion blur is on AND there is at least one animated property on any object, the scene looks like this:
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I figured that only deleting all animations fixes the issue, disabling them does nothing.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19045-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 531.41 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.4.1, branch: blender-v3.4-release, commit date: 2022-12-19 17:00, hash: `rB55485cb379f7` This was "fixed" by e7a3a2c2618767b5fac464957af5030fdf47e52f This is also "wrong" in 3.3 LTS. **Short description of error** Strange shading when motion blur is on. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Open the attached .blend file, turn motion blur on and off, see differences in renders. When motion blur is off, image in viewport and in render looks normal: ![image](/attachments/f80a3f7e-b7c8-49f5-9158-c5d17a4b0b44) When motion blur is on AND there is at least one animated property on any object, the scene looks like this: ![image](/attachments/dfc816ce-9ec7-4687-a854-695537bfd4e8) I figured that only deleting all animations fixes the issue, disabling them does nothing.
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Pratik Borhade commented 2023-04-05 14:16:07 +02:00
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Hi, thanks for the report. I can confirm this in 3.5 but not in current master.
This is fixed between 896ba33336 - 3eff28a158
@lichtwerk , can you check which commit fixed it? I guess 70f3382c45 ?

Hi, thanks for the report. I can confirm this in 3.5 but not in current master. This is fixed between 896ba3333666 - 3eff28a158ca @lichtwerk , can you check which commit fixed it? I guess 70f3382c45cb8e8c79505b60eed7f9691dd645bf ?
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Philipp Oeser commented 2023-04-05 15:33:03 +02:00
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This was "fixed" by e7a3a2c261
This is also "wrong" in 3.3 LTS.

Since this changed behavior (possibly not only in a 'fixing' manner), would like to ask the module first if this should be backported (both for 3.3 LTS as well as 3.5.1 corrective release).

CC @weizhen
CC @brecht

This was "fixed" by e7a3a2c2618767b5fac464957af5030fdf47e52f This is also "wrong" in 3.3 LTS. Since this changed behavior (possibly not only in a 'fixing' manner), would like to ask the module first if this should be backported (both for 3.3 LTS as well as 3.5.1 corrective release). CC @weizhen CC @brecht
Philipp Oeser changed title from Strange shading when motion blur is on. to Strange shading when motion blur is on (fixed in 3.6, request for backport) 2023-04-05 15:34:15 +02:00
Weizhen Huang commented 2023-04-05 18:10:54 +02:00
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Might be related to #101726 since starting blender with -t 1 also fixes the issue? Also it's weird that the geometry normals aren't normalized.

Might be related to https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/issues/101726 since starting blender with `-t 1` also fixes the issue? Also it's weird that the geometry normals aren't normalized.
Philipp Oeser commented 2023-04-05 22:17:06 +02:00
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@weizhen : not sure I understand correctly. The issue is already fixed in 3.6. (by normalizing normals from your e7a3a2c261). Only question was if the fix should be backported.

@weizhen : not sure I understand correctly. The issue **is already fixed** in 3.6. (by normalizing normals from your e7a3a2c261). Only question was if the fix should be backported.
Weizhen Huang commented 2023-04-05 22:49:54 +02:00
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@lichtwerk I mean, my fix was intended for custom normals which might be unnormalized, but the attached scene does not have custom normals, it is using the geometry normal, which in theory should already be normalized at that stage. I can look into why motion triangles could have unnormalized normals, I think it would be better if we backport that. Not sure if we should backport e7a3a2c261

@lichtwerk I mean, my fix was intended for custom normals which might be unnormalized, but the attached scene does not have custom normals, it is using the geometry normal, which in theory should already be normalized at that stage. I can look into why motion triangles could have unnormalized normals, I think it would be better if we backport that. Not sure if we should backport e7a3a2c261
Philipp Oeser commented 2023-04-06 12:30:34 +02:00
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@lichtwerk I mean, my fix was intended for custom normals which might be unnormalized, but the attached scene does not have custom normals, it is using the geometry normal, which in theory should already be normalized at that stage. I can look into why motion triangles could have unnormalized normals, I think it would be better if we backport that. Not sure if we should backport e7a3a2c261

Ah, missed that, thx getting back.
It seems turning ON High Quality Normals in the solidify modifier also fixes this in 3.5, this might give us another hint.

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> @lichtwerk I mean, my fix was intended for custom normals which might be unnormalized, but the attached scene does not have custom normals, it is using the geometry normal, which in theory should already be normalized at that stage. I can look into why motion triangles could have unnormalized normals, I think it would be better if we backport that. Not sure if we should backport e7a3a2c261 Ah, missed that, thx getting back. It seems turning ON `High Quality Normals` in the solidify modifier also fixes this in 3.5, this might give us another hint. ![image](/attachments/37cef30b-5cb6-4213-a986-340ccd09c3a8)
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Weizhen Huang commented 2023-04-06 13:54:35 +02:00
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@lichtwerk could you backport 792da15d53 ?

@lichtwerk could you backport 792da15d53 ?
Pratik Borhade commented 2023-04-06 15:03:29 +02:00
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@lichtwerk could you backport 792da15d53 ?

Done. Added in both 3.3, 3.5 backporting list.

> @lichtwerk could you backport 792da15d53 ? Done. Added in both [3.3](https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/issues/100749), [3.5](https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/issues/106258) backporting list.
Adrian Lopez commented 2023-04-08 05:54:08 +02:00
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This is not fixed in 3.6

This is not fixed in 3.6
Philipp Oeser commented 2023-04-11 09:03:08 +02:00
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This is not fixed in 3.6

Just tested with version: 3.6.0 Alpha, branch: main, commit date: 2023-04-10 19:12, hash: 8dae0587686d and this seems fine on my side.

@vfxwolf : could you recheck in a fresh 3.6 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/?

> This is not fixed in 3.6 Just tested with version: 3.6.0 Alpha, branch: main, commit date: 2023-04-10 19:12, hash: `8dae0587686d` and this seems fine on my side. @vfxwolf : could you recheck in a fresh 3.6 build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/?
Adrian Lopez commented 2023-04-11 16:48:36 +02:00
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Downloaded the latest 3.6 today.. problem is still there.. see attached

Downloaded the latest 3.6 today.. problem is still there.. see attached
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Philipp Oeser commented 2023-04-11 17:15:27 +02:00
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Can you still repro this with maybebug.blend as well? (I cant)

Can you still repro this with `maybebug.blend` as well? (I cant)
Adrian Lopez commented 2023-04-11 17:55:16 +02:00
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Can you still repro this with maybebug.blend as well? (I cant)

Had a look at the scene, and it seems to render without artifacts, BUT... there's a major difference, you're not using any deformation that I can see.

In my case, the bus has been diced and is being deformed by a mesh deform modifier, which itself is being deformed by an armature. As you can see in the clip attached. the glitching is pronounced and frequent.

So while I'm sure SOMETHING was fixed in 3.6.. it wasnt the long time issue of bad normals when a deforming object has autosmoothing ON and is rendered with motion blur.

> Can you still repro this with `maybebug.blend` as well? (I cant) Had a look at the scene, and it seems to render without artifacts, BUT... there's a major difference, you're not using any deformation that I can see. In my case, the bus has been diced and is being deformed by a mesh deform modifier, which itself is being deformed by an armature. As you can see in the clip attached. the glitching is pronounced and frequent. So while I'm sure SOMETHING was fixed in 3.6.. it wasnt the long time issue of bad normals when a deforming object has autosmoothing ON and is rendered with motion blur.
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Philipp Oeser commented 2023-04-12 10:48:59 +02:00
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Can you still repro this with maybebug.blend as well? (I cant)

Had a look at the scene, and it seems to render without artifacts, BUT... there's a major difference, you're not using any deformation that I can see.

In my case, the bus has been diced and is being deformed by a mesh deform modifier, which itself is being deformed by an armature. As you can see in the clip attached. the glitching is pronounced and frequent.

So while I'm sure SOMETHING was fixed in 3.6.. it wasnt the long time issue of bad normals when a deforming object has autosmoothing ON and is rendered with motion blur.

Since these issues seem to be different, has "your" issue been reported before?
If not, could you open a separate report for this?

> > Can you still repro this with `maybebug.blend` as well? (I cant) > > Had a look at the scene, and it seems to render without artifacts, BUT... there's a major difference, you're not using any deformation that I can see. > > In my case, the bus has been diced and is being deformed by a mesh deform modifier, which itself is being deformed by an armature. As you can see in the clip attached. the glitching is pronounced and frequent. > > So while I'm sure SOMETHING was fixed in 3.6.. it wasnt the long time issue of bad normals when a deforming object has autosmoothing ON and is rendered with motion blur. Since these issues seem to be different, has "your" issue been reported before? If not, could you open a separate report for this?
Adrian Lopez commented 2023-04-12 18:53:33 +02:00
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Can you still repro this with maybebug.blend as well? (I cant)

Had a look at the scene, and it seems to render without artifacts, BUT... there's a major difference, you're not using any deformation that I can see.

In my case, the bus has been diced and is being deformed by a mesh deform modifier, which itself is being deformed by an armature. As you can see in the clip attached. the glitching is pronounced and frequent.

So while I'm sure SOMETHING was fixed in 3.6.. it wasnt the long time issue of bad normals when a deforming object has autosmoothing ON and is rendered with motion blur.

Since these issues seem to be different, has "your" issue been reported before?
If not, could you open a separate report for this?

Indeed I have

blender/blender#106618

> > > Can you still repro this with `maybebug.blend` as well? (I cant) > > > > Had a look at the scene, and it seems to render without artifacts, BUT... there's a major difference, you're not using any deformation that I can see. > > > > In my case, the bus has been diced and is being deformed by a mesh deform modifier, which itself is being deformed by an armature. As you can see in the clip attached. the glitching is pronounced and frequent. > > > > So while I'm sure SOMETHING was fixed in 3.6.. it wasnt the long time issue of bad normals when a deforming object has autosmoothing ON and is rendered with motion blur. > > Since these issues seem to be different, has "your" issue been reported before? > If not, could you open a separate report for this? Indeed I have blender/blender#106618
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