Additional unwanted objects being created when asset browser asset is used #107180

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opened 2023-04-20 16:39:04 +02:00 by Steve Gaskell · 6 comments

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Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22000-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX A4500/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 512.15

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Broken: version: 3.5.0, branch: blender-v3.5-release, commit date: 2023-03-29 02:56, hash: 1be25cfff18b
Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected)

Short description of error
Additional duplicate (unwanted) objects being created when using assets from the asset browser.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
I haven't managed to consistently reproduce how I get this issue to happen. However, I have attached files which are guaranteed to demonstrate it.

  1. The oxford-straps-demo.blend file contains the source meshes which are placed in a collection and marked as asset called "Source Asset"

  2. The test-asset.blend file contains the "Source Asset" dropped in as Linked then Library Overridden. That itself is then marked again as an asset called "Test Asset". (This is my workflow - I would do this, then add materials at this stage).

  3. Open a new blend file and drop in the "Test Asset" (with Append). You will see the appended asset plus two other unwanted objects which are duplicates of the objects contained within the sealed asset.

I have to delete these every time the asset is used.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22000-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX A4500/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 512.15 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.5.0, branch: blender-v3.5-release, commit date: 2023-03-29 02:56, hash: `1be25cfff18b` Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected) **Short description of error** Additional duplicate (unwanted) objects being created when using assets from the asset browser. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** I haven't managed to consistently reproduce how I get this issue to happen. However, I have attached files which are guaranteed to demonstrate it. 1. The oxford-straps-demo.blend file contains the source meshes which are placed in a collection and marked as asset called "Source Asset" 2. The test-asset.blend file contains the "Source Asset" dropped in as Linked then Library Overridden. That itself is then marked again as an asset called "Test Asset". (This is my workflow - I would do this, then add materials at this stage). 3. Open a new blend file and drop in the "Test Asset" (with Append). You will see the appended asset plus two other unwanted objects which are duplicates of the objects contained within the sealed asset. I have to delete these every time the asset is used.
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Hi, thanks for the report. Are you using Append from File menu?
Or did you move these files to asset library and using the Append import type from asset browser?

Hi, thanks for the report. Are you using Append from File menu? Or did you move these files to asset library and using the `Append` import type from asset browser?
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Hi Pratik,
That’s correct. I put these files in an asset browser location and used only the asset browser to make use of the object (Link in the first instance and then Append in the second).

The purpose of this strange process is to reuse the same object (mesh) but with different textures.

  1. I create my watch strap asset (ie. the mesh)
  2. Then I create new assets from that by re-using the strap asset. I drag in the asset from the browser (with Link), then override, then apply texture. I can do this several times giving me a blue strap, a black strap, a red strap and so on. These are then new assets in the browser.
  3. Finally when I want to use a coloured strap, I drag it from the asset browser (with Append) so that I can move and rotate it.

Hope that makes sense.

Note that this normally works flawlessly. It's only in this particular case that the strange additional objects are being created. I can't figure out what is different in this case. I did manage to reproduce it with a test file and test objects but I can't seem to repeat what I did to identify the exact issue. I have a feeling it is something to do with the objects within the original asset having parent->child->grandchild relationships (but maybe it's not that at all!)

Thanks,
S.

Hi Pratik, That’s correct. I put these files in an asset browser location and used only the asset browser to make use of the object (Link in the first instance and then Append in the second). The purpose of this strange process is to reuse the same object (mesh) but with different textures. 1. I create my watch strap asset (ie. the mesh) 2. Then I create new assets from that by re-using the strap asset. I drag in the asset from the browser (with Link), then override, then apply texture. I can do this several times giving me a blue strap, a black strap, a red strap and so on. These are then new assets in the browser. 3. Finally when I want to use a coloured strap, I drag it from the asset browser (with Append) so that I can move and rotate it. Hope that makes sense. Note that this normally works flawlessly. It's only in this particular case that the strange additional objects are being created. I can't figure out what is different in this case. I did manage to reproduce it with a test file and test objects but I can't seem to repeat what I did to identify the exact issue. I have a feeling it is something to do with the objects within the original asset having parent->child->grandchild relationships (but maybe it's not that at all!) Thanks, S.
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Behavior indeed seems strange to me.

It looks like it brings in objects that belong in the hierarchy of a parent of an object specified as an object in a curve modifier.

So if I look at the override hierarchy of test-asset.blend :
image
I see a lot of duplicates (e.g. of ox-short-strap-aligator-asset which is selected in the screenshot).
Why do we see it duplicated so often?
Can only assume this is because it is the parent of an object specified in a curve modifier.
Now everything under that parent gets duplicated multiple times.
While this may still be expected behavior, when appending that whole stuff into a new file seems to somehow get confused and cant determine what has already been appended (and thus would not have be been pulled in again)

This is the original oxford-straps-demo.blend from which the overrides were made:
image

I am not sure if I can come up with a simpler file (I could try though).
@mont29 : does this ring a bell?

Behavior indeed seems strange to me. It looks like it brings in objects that belong in the hierarchy of a parent of an object specified as an object in a curve modifier. So if I look at the override hierarchy of test-asset.blend : ![image](/attachments/f8e146b6-8d3a-4226-b341-f56669563efe) I see a lot of duplicates (e.g. of `ox-short-strap-aligator-asset` which is selected in the screenshot). Why do we see it duplicated so often? Can only assume this is because it is the **parent** of an object specified in a curve modifier. Now everything under that parent gets duplicated multiple times. While this may still be expected behavior, when **appending** that whole stuff into a new file seems to somehow get confused and cant determine what has already been appended (and thus would not have be been pulled in again) This is the original `oxford-straps-demo.blend` from which the overrides were made: ![image](/attachments/315f4746-9154-4aea-83f8-3b372cc7ff90) I am not sure if I can come up with a simpler file (I could try though). @mont29 : does this ring a bell?
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@lichtwerk https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/issues/107111 ?
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@lichtwerk #107111 ?

Might be related, replied there

> @lichtwerk https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/issues/107111 ? Might be related, replied there

@lichtwerk I do not understand your issue with the liboverride Hierarchy view... If an ID is used by several other IDs, it will appear under all of its users' hierarchies, that's the whole point of this view.

As for original report, I believe it's a combination of 'same thing as in #107111' (i.e. dependencies are brought in together with the linked/appended data), AND the old thing that we do not allow local objects that are not instantiated in some viewlayer (as a reminder, liboverrides data-blocks do bring in their linked reference data too).

@lichtwerk I do not understand your issue with the liboverride _Hierarchy_ view... If an ID is used by several other IDs, it will appear under all of its users' hierarchies, that's the whole point of this view. As for original report, I believe it's a combination of 'same thing as in #107111' (i.e. dependencies are brought in together with the linked/appended data), _AND_ the old thing that we do not allow local objects that are not instantiated in some viewlayer (as a reminder, liboverrides data-blocks do bring in their linked reference data too).
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