"New material" tooltip should be "Copy current material" #109845

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crabs · 2023-07-08T05:36:53+02:00

crabs commented

2023-07-08 05:36:53 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22621-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 536.25

Blender Version
Broken: version: 4.0.0 Alpha, branch: main, commit date: 2023-07-08 02:41, hash: c677f791f063
Worked: Unknown

The tooltip in the image is not correct and might cause confusion. Clicking the button instead of just creating a new material, it copies the material to a new one, instead of creating a new material from a blank template.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Hover mouse over the icon pointed by the red arrow in the attached image (located in the shader editor).

The tooltip says: "New material".
I think the tooltip should say:
"Copy material"
"Creates a new material by duplicating the current one"

Observation
This issue is similar to issue #107625, but in another part of Blender.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.22621-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 536.25 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 4.0.0 Alpha, branch: main, commit date: 2023-07-08 02:41, hash: `c677f791f063` Worked: Unknown The tooltip in the image is not correct and might cause confusion. Clicking the button instead of just creating a new material, it copies the material to a new one, instead of creating a new material from a blank template. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Hover mouse over the icon pointed by the red arrow in the attached image (located in the shader editor). The tooltip says: "New material". I think the tooltip should say: "Copy material" "Creates a new material by duplicating the current one" **Observation** This issue is similar to issue #107625, but in another part of Blender.

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Andras-Borsanyi referenced this issue

2023-07-08 10:52:58 +02:00

"New action" tooltip should be duplicate/copy action #107625

YimingWu commented

2023-07-09 04:54:17 +02:00

This is interestingly how blender always worked, that button is consistently duplicating the existing one. I guess people have long being used to the way. Yeah the tooltip might need to have a change.

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Albert-OShea commented

2023-07-09 09:33:18 +02:00

Just pointing out that the same widget for geometry nodes uses the 'copy' wording, similar to what's suggested here. This discrepancy doesn't seem intentional, I can't see a reason why it would be.

Just pointing out that the same widget for geometry nodes uses the 'copy' wording, similar to what's suggested here. This discrepancy doesn't seem intentional, I can't see a reason why it would be. [![Screenshot 2023-07-09 173121.png](/attachments/0ce97375-05d3-4cb0-8f42-1e961bd95b3a)](url)

Screenshot 2023-07-09 173121.png

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crabs commented

2023-07-09 16:58:25 +02:00

Just pointing out that the same widget for geometry nodes uses the 'copy' wording, similar to what's suggested here. This discrepancy doesn't seem intentional, I can't see a reason why it would be.

I was trying to fix issue #107625 by looking at similar behaviour in the Blender UI that worked as expected. Geometry nodes was the only one I could find that had proper tooltip, but I wasn't to find in the code where the Geo Node tooltip comes from. It seems to come from a .py file, which was quite odd to me, as a newbie wanna be Blender developer.

> Just pointing out that the same widget for geometry nodes uses the 'copy' wording, similar to what's suggested here. This discrepancy doesn't seem intentional, I can't see a reason why it would be. > > [![Screenshot 2023-07-09 173121.png](/attachments/0ce97375-05d3-4cb0-8f42-1e961bd95b3a)](url) I was trying to fix issue #107625 by looking at similar behaviour in the Blender UI that worked as expected. Geometry nodes was the only one I could find that had proper tooltip, but I wasn't to find in the code where the Geo Node tooltip comes from. It seems to come from a .py file, which was quite odd to me, as a newbie wanna be Blender developer.

YimingWu commented

2023-07-10 11:49:55 +02:00

The problem of this is that blender uses the same base logic in these places "If exists, copy this one, otherwise creates a new one". But detailed behaviour is quite different. Like for texture and text blocks, the duplicate button will not duplicate but it will always ask you for a new one. So maybe we need to have some further designs on the icon as well to make things consistent.

Maybe this can be lower priority since mostly people are used to the logic here and can easily adapt to these minor differences

The problem of this is that blender uses the same base logic in these places "If exists, copy this one, otherwise creates a new one". But detailed behaviour is quite different. Like for texture and text blocks, the duplicate button will not duplicate but it will always ask you for a new one. So maybe we need to have some further designs on the icon as well to make things consistent. Maybe this can be lower priority since mostly people are used to the logic here and can easily adapt to these minor differences

Matthew Hinson commented

2023-07-10 21:45:12 +02:00

Like for texture and text blocks, the duplicate button will not duplicate but it will always ask you for a new one. So maybe we need to have some further designs on the icon as well to make things consistent.

Agreed. It's the same thing for the Image editor: it has a "New Image" button that always creates a new blank image, but still uses the universal icon for duplication. I'd say Blender needs a new (heh) icon for indicating the concept of "New" as opposed to "Copy".

> Like for texture and text blocks, the duplicate button will not duplicate but it will always ask you for a new one. So maybe we need to have some further designs on the icon as well to make things consistent. Agreed. It's the same thing for the Image editor: it has a "New Image" button that always creates a new blank image, but still uses the universal icon for duplication. I'd say Blender needs a new (heh) icon for indicating the concept of "New" as opposed to "Copy".

Paul Kotelevets commented

2023-07-25 06:02:25 +02:00

I think that "duplicate" is a better term than "copy", which is usually related to clipboard.

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"New material" tooltip should be "Copy current material" #109845