N-panel only updates after the cursor hovers over a field #120012

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opened 2024-03-28 13:46:38 +01:00 by Max Mustermann · 10 comments

Max Mustermann commented

2024-03-28 13:46:38 +01:00

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Operating system: Fedora Linux
Graphics card: AMD

Blender Version
Broken: 4.1
Worked: Not sure, but this isn't new.

Short description of error
Unlike how other editors update when the animation stops playing, the N-panel only updates after the cursor hovers over a field in the N-panel.

However. With a simple scene and an unreasonable amount (72) of properties editors, my viewport performance is still ~33fps. Would it be fair to consider enabling properties editor playback by default?

This is a fresh report from a comment in #112443

**System Information** Operating system: Fedora Linux Graphics card: AMD **Blender Version** Broken: 4.1 Worked: Not sure, but this isn't new. **Short description of error** Unlike how other editors update when the animation stops playing, the N-panel only updates after the cursor hovers over a field in the N-panel. <video src="/attachments/ddeccb2e-3303-4c73-8c16-e8fe102d9507" controls></video> However. With a simple scene and an unreasonable amount (72) of properties editors, my viewport performance is still ~33fps. Would it be fair to consider enabling properties editor playback by default? ![lot-a-properties](/attachments/c96aeab0-0989-4c7b-b084-c04f6d89574b) This is a fresh report from a comment in #112443

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Richard Antalik commented

2024-03-28 21:07:12 +01:00

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However. With a simple scene and an unreasonable amount (72) of properties editors, my viewport performance is still ~33fps. Would it be fair to consider enabling properties editor playback by default?

Not sure, but historically, Blender always performed well on older hardware. So this could have impact for some users. Also it depends on what is in the editor. Addons can add bunch of expensive stuff and may rely on updating only when needed.

I misunderstood the report, so the issue is, that side panel never updates when playback stops, only when mouse is is over button.
I guess this could be confirmed, since it would be fairly easy to fix.

> However. With a simple scene and an unreasonable amount (72) of properties editors, my viewport performance is still ~33fps. Would it be fair to consider enabling properties editor playback by default? Not sure, but historically, Blender always performed well on older hardware. So this could have impact for some users. Also it depends on what is in the editor. Addons can add bunch of expensive stuff and may rely on updating only when needed. I misunderstood the report, so the issue is, that side panel never updates when playback stops, only when mouse is is over button. I guess this could be confirmed, since it would be fairly easy to fix.

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Philipp Oeser commented

2024-04-05 12:01:01 +02:00

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Not sure if I misunderstand, there is no missing update if you turn ON Properties Editor in Playback options

So there is no bug here, this is just a request for changed default behavior, right?
(if so, this bugtracker is not the right place for this)

For user requests and feedback, please use other channels: https://developer.blender.org/docs/handbook/communication/user_feedback/

For more information on why this isn't considered a bug, visit: https://developer.blender.org/docs/handbook/bug_reports/not_a_bug/

Not sure if I misunderstand, there is no missing update if you turn ON `Properties Editor` in Playback options ![image](/attachments/70ccf9c5-b809-487f-af4b-484f7fb9ad37) So there is no bug here, this is just a request for changed default behavior, right? (if so, this bugtracker is not the right place for this) For user requests and feedback, please use other channels: https://developer.blender.org/docs/handbook/communication/user_feedback/ For more information on why this isn't considered a bug, visit: https://developer.blender.org/docs/handbook/bug_reports/not_a_bug/

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Max Mustermann commented

2024-04-05 12:34:13 +02:00

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No, there is a bug. But it only happens with Properties Editor turned OFF in Playback options. Changing the default behavior seems to have been ruled out by Richard for now because of performance with Addons.

No, there is a bug. But it only happens with Properties Editor turned OFF in Playback options. Changing the default behavior seems to have been ruled out by Richard for now because of performance with Addons.

Max Mustermann commented

2024-04-05 12:40:34 +02:00

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The bug happens at the 0:03 and 0:06 second mark in the video.

The bug happens at the 0:03 and 0:06 second mark in the video.

Philipp Oeser commented

2024-04-05 12:53:14 +02:00

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Every Sidebar / N-Panel is considered a Property Editor (this is intended behavior in code).
So the 3D viewport and its sidebar are two different things.

I think this should stay the way it is (because it can impact playback performance -- you may want maximum playback performance without having to hide the sidebar all the time)

What we probably should do though is make that clear (rename Properties Editor to something more descriptive)

Every Sidebar / N-Panel is considered a Property Editor (this is intended behavior in code). So the 3D viewport and its sidebar are two different things. I think this should stay the way it is (because it **can** impact playback performance -- you may want maximum playback performance without having to hide the sidebar all the time) What we probably should do though is make that clear (rename Properties Editor to something more descriptive)

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2024-04-05 13:00:36 +02:00

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Thanks for clearing up why enabling Properties Editor playback changes the behavior in the 3D Viewport. I was wondering why that is.

The bug however is that N-Panel and the Properties editor do not behave in the same way, because the Properties Editor updates it's values when playback stops, but the N-Panel does not.

Thanks for clearing up why enabling Properties Editor playback changes the behavior in the 3D Viewport. I was wondering why that is. The bug however is that N-Panel and the Properties editor do not behave in the same way, because the Properties Editor updates it's values when playback stops, but the N-Panel does not.

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2024-04-05 13:57:31 +02:00

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The bug however is that N-Panel and the Properties editor do not behave in the same way, because the Properties Editor updates it's values when playback stops, but the N-Panel does not.

Ah, OK, sorry for not picking that up in the first place, got a fix for that, will post shortly

> The bug however is that N-Panel and the Properties editor do not behave in the same way, because the Properties Editor updates it's values when playback stops, but the N-Panel does not. Ah, OK, sorry for not picking that up in the first place, got a fix for that, will post shortly

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Fix #120012: 3D Viewport sidebar not updating when playback stops #120300

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UI: Clarify Playback "Play In" option #120305

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Fix #120012: 3D Viewport sidebar not updating when playback stops

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UI: Clarify Playback "Play In" option

Max Mustermann commented

2024-04-08 12:51:43 +02:00

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Can you add another notifier when entering or exiting a camera/object view? When entering a camera view, things like the Focal Length field under View is dimmed, but this again is only updated after hovering over a field in the N-Panel.

Can you add another notifier when entering or exiting a camera/object view? When entering a camera view, things like the `Focal Length` field under `View` is dimmed, but this again is only updated after hovering over a field in the N-Panel.

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Can you add another notifier when entering or exiting a camera/object view? When entering a camera view, things like the Focal Length field under View is greyed out but this again is only updated after hovering over a field in the N-Panel.

please open a separate report for this

> Can you add another notifier when entering or exiting a camera/object view? When entering a camera view, things like the `Focal Length` field under `View` is greyed out but this again is only updated after hovering over a field in the N-Panel. please open a separate report for this

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2024-04-08 13:28:13 +02:00

The N-Panel is not updated when entering/leaving camera view under cycles #120398

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2024-04-08 13:28:58 +02:00

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Of course. Here it is. #120398

Of course. Here it is. #120398

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