Dopesheet Display Hidden doesn't work property combined with Only Selected. #68313

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Loris Libero · 2019-08-06T14:33:29+02:00

Loris Libero commented

2019-08-06 14:33:29 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.86

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 75), branch: master, commit date: 2019-07-29 14:47, hash: f6cb5f5449
Worked: Version 2.79b

Short description of error
In version 2.79 with the "Selection Only" option active in the dope sheet screen, after animating the appearance or disappearance of the object, you had the possibility to edit the keyframes, now it is possible only if the Only Selected option is deactivated, it is rather uncomfortable compared to the previous one because that option is useful to avoid having a max dopesheet window and to avoid errors in complex animations.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Frame 1:
Turn off the object then Animate Disable in viewport,
Frame 2:
Turn on the object and animate Disable in viewport.
Open dopesheet window, Click Selection only and Display Hidden option at frame 2, go to frame 1 the frames disappear.

Dopesheet_280.blend
Dopesheet_279b.blend

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.86 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 75), branch: master, commit date: 2019-07-29 14:47, hash: `f6cb5f5449` Worked: Version 2.79b **Short description of error** In version 2.79 with the "Selection Only" option active in the dope sheet screen, after animating the appearance or disappearance of the object, you had the possibility to edit the keyframes, now it is possible only if the Only Selected option is deactivated, it is rather uncomfortable compared to the previous one because that option is useful to avoid having a max dopesheet window and to avoid errors in complex animations. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Frame 1: Turn off the object then Animate Disable in viewport, Frame 2: Turn on the object and animate Disable in viewport. Open dopesheet window, Click Selection only and Display Hidden option at frame 2, go to frame 1 the frames disappear. [Dopesheet_280.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7651592/Dopesheet_280.blend) [Dopesheet_279b.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7651591/Dopesheet_279b.blend)

Loris Libero commented

2019-08-06 14:33:29 +02:00

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blender-admin commented

2019-08-06 14:33:29 +02:00

#100635 was marked as duplicate of this issue

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#87552 was marked as duplicate of this issue

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2019-08-06 14:33:29 +02:00

#86694 was marked as duplicate of this issue

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#80074 was marked as duplicate of this issue

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2019-08-06 14:33:29 +02:00

#74402 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Daniel Paul commented

2019-08-21 11:13:43 +02:00

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Daniel Paul commented

2019-08-21 11:16:37 +02:00

Same behavior in 2.8.
When switching to the timeline, show hidden isn't taken into account at all.
The keyframes just disappear when the object is invisible.

Maybe there has to be made some discussion on how hidden objects are handled in general.
It's pretty confusing right now, especially when the visibility of objects is used extensively.

https://devtalk.blender.org/t/why-invisible-objects-are-bad/8496

@brecht Does this topic fit under the module "User Interface"?

Same behavior in 2.8. When switching to the timeline, show hidden isn't taken into account at all. The keyframes just disappear when the object is invisible. Maybe there has to be made some discussion on how hidden objects are handled in general. It's pretty confusing right now, especially when the visibility of objects is used extensively. https://devtalk.blender.org/t/why-invisible-objects-are-bad/8496 @brecht Does this topic fit under the module "User Interface"?

Daniel Paul commented

2019-08-21 11:20:39 +02:00

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Daniel Paul commented

2019-08-21 11:31:19 +02:00

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Daniel Paul commented

2019-08-21 11:31:20 +02:00

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Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-21 11:35:52 +02:00

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Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-21 11:35:52 +02:00

Hm, iirc disabled pretty much enforces unselected in 2.8.
So even if we disable the check here https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/browse/master/source/blender/editors/animation/anim_filter.c$3026, we still dont get the hidden object included in the dopesheet.

In a way 2.8 is more consistent here [no selection for hidden stuff, @dfelinto: correct me if I am wrong] but I can see this being handy, not sure what the best solution here might be? CC @WilliamReynish

Hm, iirc disabled pretty much enforces unselected in 2.8. So even if we disable the check here https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/browse/master/source/blender/editors/animation/anim_filter.c$3026, we still dont get the hidden object included in the dopesheet. In a way 2.8 is more consistent here [no selection for hidden stuff, @dfelinto: correct me if I am wrong] but I can see this being handy, not sure what the best solution here might be? CC @WilliamReynish

Sybren A. Stüvel changed title from ~~Dopesheet Display Hidden dosent't work property combined with Only Selected.~~ to Dopesheet Display Hidden doesn't work property combined with Only Selected.

2019-12-06 15:23:34 +01:00

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2019-12-06 15:31:14 +01:00

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Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2019-12-06 15:31:14 +01:00

IMO the current approach that only visible objects can be selected is a sane one; this prevents a whole range of issues where people are performing changes to objects without knowing about those changes, because they wouldn't see all selected objects. In this particular case it backfires, though.

Would it be enough if we could pin an object to the Dope Sheet and Graph Editor in the same way we can in the Properties editor? That way you would be able to keep the cleanlyness of 'Selected Only' (i.e. no clutter from unselected object's animation curves) and still keep the object available in the Dope Sheet & Graph Editor.

IMO the current approach that only visible objects can be selected is a sane one; this prevents a whole range of issues where people are performing changes to objects without knowing about those changes, because they wouldn't see all selected objects. In this particular case it backfires, though. Would it be enough if we could pin an object to the Dope Sheet and Graph Editor in the same way we can in the Properties editor? That way you would be able to keep the cleanlyness of 'Selected Only' (i.e. no clutter from unselected object's animation curves) and still keep the object available in the Dope Sheet & Graph Editor.

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2019-12-06 16:26:14 +01:00

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Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2019-12-06 16:26:14 +01:00

@Hjalti @LucianoMunoz do you have any insights to share here?

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego commented

2019-12-06 23:56:23 +01:00

To be honest I preffered that you could select objects that are invisible,
In all my experience I dont recall any time modifiying something that was invisible unintendedly in 2.79.

Anyways I think the more sensible way:
only selected and the display hidden option are on by default, but hidden objects should appear in the dopesheet when both this options are on and the object is selected in the outliner.

To be honest I preffered that you could select objects that are invisible, In all my experience I dont recall any time modifiying something that was invisible unintendedly in 2.79. Anyways I think the more sensible way: only selected and the display hidden option are on by default, but hidden objects should appear in the dopesheet when both this options are on and the object is selected in the outliner.

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-12-19 12:00:02 +01:00

@dr.sybren: I guess it is up to you to somewhat make a decission on this?
[ just want to get this out of the "Needs triage by Developer" limbo... since these pop up on my desk over and over again ;) -- and we already have kind of meta-reports flying in, see {#72568}]

@dr.sybren: I guess it is up to you to somewhat make a decission on this? [ just want to get this out of the "Needs triage by Developer" limbo... since these pop up on my desk over and over again ;) -- and we already have kind of meta-reports flying in, see {#72568}]

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2019-12-20 13:34:35 +01:00

As far as I can see, this is behaving as designed. There are clearly shortcomings in that design, but that doesn't make this a bug.

In #68313#825310, @LucianoMunoz wrote:
Anyways I think the more sensible way:
only selected and the display hidden option are on by default, but hidden objects should appear in the dopesheet when both this options are on and the object is selected in the outliner.

This makes sense, but is technically hard to do. The "selected in the outliner" state is per outliner. That means it's harder to get that selection state into the dopesheet/graph editor. Another problem is that it's not a global state. There can be two outliners, and they can have different selection states. Even worse, an object can be in multiple collections at the same time, and be selected in the outliner in one, but not on the other. Here is a screenshot that shows all this:

I'll change the type of this report to a Design task, as this needs to be well thought out and isn't something that can be quickly fixed.

As far as I can see, this is behaving as designed. There are clearly shortcomings in that design, but that doesn't make this a bug. > In #68313#825310, @LucianoMunoz wrote: > Anyways I think the more sensible way: > only selected and the display hidden option are on by default, but hidden objects should appear in the dopesheet when both this options are on and the object is selected in the outliner. This makes sense, but is technically hard to do. The "selected in the outliner" state is per outliner. That means it's harder to get that selection state into the dopesheet/graph editor. Another problem is that it's not a global state. There can be two outliners, and they can have different selection states. Even worse, an object can be in multiple collections at the same time, and be selected in the outliner in one, but not on the other. Here is a screenshot that shows all this: ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8237271/image.png) I'll change the type of this report to a Design task, as this needs to be well thought out and isn't something that can be quickly fixed.

Richard Antalik commented

2020-03-04 04:53:32 +01:00

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Philipp Oeser commented

2020-08-24 13:03:56 +02:00

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Ales Sidenko commented

2020-09-23 17:28:32 +02:00

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Ales Sidenko commented

2020-09-23 17:28:32 +02:00

Hi! This thing still doesn't work.
I suggest to not to hide at least active object's curves and keys because 'active' state is global and it's the same in any editor.
btw it's broken in Drivers editor too.

Hi! This thing still doesn't work. I suggest to not to hide at least active object's curves and keys because 'active' state is global and it's the same in any editor. btw it's broken in Drivers editor too.

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-03-18 17:06:32 +01:00

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