Add smart behavior (linking/instanciation) when pasting a collection in the Outliner or the 3DView #69393

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SABRI Salim · 2019-09-01T23:41:27+02:00

SABRI Salim commented

2019-09-01 23:41:27 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Linux-4.15.0-55-generic-x86_64-with-debian-buster-sid 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.26

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 4), branch: master, commit date: 2019-09-01 07:31, hash: ae43b1d51b
Worked: Never

Short description of error
Copied Collection does not paste correctly in the Outliner

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Copy a Collection from the Outliner and Past it in the Outliner - Collection doesn't shown in the 'View Layer' but in 'Orphan Data'

**System Information** Operating system: Linux-4.15.0-55-generic-x86_64-with-debian-buster-sid 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.26 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 4), branch: master, commit date: 2019-09-01 07:31, hash: `ae43b1d51b` Worked: Never **Short description of error** Copied Collection does not paste correctly in the Outliner **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Copy a Collection from the Outliner and Past it in the Outliner - Collection doesn't shown in the 'View Layer' but in 'Orphan Data'

SABRI Salim commented

2019-09-01 23:41:27 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Dalkoom

SABRI Salim commented

2019-09-09 22:47:06 +02:00

The Bug Is still here

SABRI Salim changed title from ~~Copy Past in the Outliner~~ to Copy Past Collection in the Outliner

2019-09-09 22:59:54 +02:00

Dalai Felinto changed title from ~~Copy Past Collection in the Outliner~~ to Copy Paste Collection in the Outliner

2019-09-17 19:06:58 +02:00

Dalai Felinto commented

2019-09-17 19:09:14 +02:00

Added subscribers: @WilliamReynish, @natecraddock, @dfelinto

Dalai Felinto commented

2019-09-17 19:09:14 +02:00

@Zachman is this something you would be interested on?
@WilliamReynish do we have a clear design on what to do here? It seems that copy/paste for collections is undefined everywhere (e.g., in the viewport is simply paste the objects)

@Zachman is this something you would be interested on? @WilliamReynish do we have a clear design on what to do here? It seems that copy/paste for collections is undefined everywhere (e.g., in the viewport is simply paste the objects)

William Reynish commented

2019-09-17 19:55:04 +02:00

@dfelinto indeed we should make copy/paste work correctly for Collections in the Outliner. I can’t imagine we’d need a whole design task for it, is there anything that isn’t clear here?

Dalai Felinto commented

2019-09-18 00:56:18 +02:00

Added subscriber: @brecht

Dalai Felinto commented

2019-09-18 00:56:18 +02:00

@WilliamReynish what is not clear:

What do we expect when copy/paste in outliner?
My suggestion: We copy the collection and add it inside the current selected collection?
What do we do when copy in outliner but paste in viewport?
My suggestion: Instance the collection

I'm not strongly committed to either suggestion just the first thing that came to my mind. @brecht any 2 cents?

@WilliamReynish what is not clear: * What do we expect when copy/paste in outliner? *My suggestion: We copy the collection and add it inside the current selected collection?* * What do we do when copy in outliner but paste in viewport? *My suggestion: Instance the collection* I'm not strongly committed to either suggestion just the first thing that came to my mind. @brecht any 2 cents?

Nathan Craddock commented

2019-09-18 05:59:09 +02:00

@dfelinto I'm willing to look at this, and I think instancing on paste in the viewport makes sense, though I imagine a paste in the outliner would duplicate the collection on the same level as the copied collection.

William Reynish commented

2019-09-18 19:20:17 +02:00

@dfelinto the seems entirely reasonable.

Dalai Felinto commented

2019-09-19 17:39:52 +02:00

(...) paste in the outliner would duplicate the collection on the same level as the copied collection.

This is already covered by duplicate. If you copy from a .blend file and paste in another this won't work.

The way I see working elsewhere is to paste in the same level as the current selected element (which by the way is a great concept to determine what is the active collection when not explicitly selecting it).

> (...) paste in the outliner would duplicate the collection on the same level as the copied collection. This is already covered by duplicate. If you copy from a .blend file and paste in another this won't work. The way I see working elsewhere is to paste in the same level as the current selected element (which by the way is a great concept to determine what is the active collection when not explicitly selecting it).

Christoph Werner commented

2019-10-31 11:25:32 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ChristophWerner

Christoph Werner commented

2019-10-31 11:25:32 +01:00

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Christoph Werner commented

2019-10-31 12:51:46 +01:00

In my opinion this confuses the user. I know the intention behind it to differ between the current focus (Outliner or Viewport) and do somethings that "may" be interesting for the user.
In your case: Make an instance when the viewport is focused and a copy when the outliner is focused.

But I think it would be better to simply do what what the user expects behind a command.

So my proposal for the commands and the results:
"Copy command" -> Copy a collection / an object and Paste it as a real duplicate(a copy).
"Link/Instance" command -> Make a linked version of the collection / or an Instance an object, when the user Paste it into the target.

Please don't do something that is different to the command.

In my opinion this confuses the user. I know the intention behind it to differ between the current focus (Outliner or Viewport) and do somethings that "may" be interesting for the user. In your case: Make an instance when the viewport is focused and a copy when the outliner is focused. But I think it would be better to simply do what what the user expects behind a command. So my proposal for the commands and the results: "Copy command" -> Copy a collection / an object and Paste it as a real duplicate(a copy). "Link/Instance" command -> Make a linked version of the collection / or an Instance an object, when the user Paste it into the target. Please don't do something that is different to the command.

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-01-20 11:52:35 +01:00

Added subscriber: @dr.sybren

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-01-20 11:52:35 +01:00

This is a similar issue to #73197 (Collections created with CTRL G do not appear in Outliner View Layer) and #53662 (Usability issues with old group operators).

Dalai Felinto commented

2020-01-22 12:33:34 +01:00

This is the kind of thing that @Zachman may be interested/persuaded to look at.

Bastien Montagne commented

2020-02-19 15:34:04 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2020-02-19 15:34:04 +01:00

This is really not a bug at all, copy/paste is working as expected. Adding smart behavior when pasting a collection is for sure a nice TODO, but there is no bug in current behavior.

Bastien Montagne changed title from ~~Copy Paste Collection in the Outliner~~ to Add smart behavior (linking/instanciation) when pasting a collection in the Outliner or the 3DView

2020-02-19 15:34:47 +01:00

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Add smart behavior (linking/instanciation) when pasting a collection in the Outliner or the 3DView #69393