Laggy interaction with gizmos, does not happen when running other 3D apps at the same time #61474
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System Information
Operating system: Win 10
Graphics card: GTX 1050 Ti
Blender Version
Broken:
2.80,
036ec5cae4, blender2.8, 2019-02-11Short description of error
Open clean build today
Enable the "Move" tool in the "T" panel -> select cube -> keys 1,3,7 on the numpad, or drag with shift the viewport(short period) - lag
When running "only" Blender. There are no apps in the background.
no messengers, no browser, no photoshop. no applications using GPU.
We get lags.
As soon as we launch Telegram or Unity or ... (GPU using) everything becomes fine.
Only on Windows
Added subscriber: @SergienkoEugene
#65596 was marked as duplicate of this issue
#61339 was marked as duplicate of this issue
#65567 was marked as duplicate of this issue
#57677 was marked as duplicate of this issue
Added subscriber: @ZedDB
Do you have the latest nvidia drivers? Make also sure to try out the latest blender beta.
If you have the latest, can you try running blender with
--debug-value 23and see if any of the values changes drastically when you have selected the move tool.The latest version of b3d - 19.02.12 - 2.80.0-git.d3870471edd7
GPU driver latest - 418.81
I try on another PC - Win 7 x64 - gtx 960
still also.
Added subscriber: @fclem
@fclem any ideas?
can you try with an empty object? to see if it really comes from the tranform gizmo? also you can change your active tool to the cursor tool to verify that.
yes, when transform gizmo active - lag. scale/move/spin etc
Added subscriber: @DanieleViagi
HI, I have the same problem when gizmo is active.
Windows 10
Nvidia gtx 1060 Ti
Added subscriber: @niewinny
same problem Gtx 1070
I think It is the same as #57677
it looks like card detection or acceleration problem since it exists only if nothing is using a card in the background, even opening the Nvidia experience just speeds stuff.
edit:
it is related to all gizmos not only transform, even python ones
Added subscriber: @DasCoont
Same here, downloaded the feb10 nightly build and the feb14 build as well, I can confirm I'm having this exact issue, anytime the gizmo is present in the view port, it slows down view port performance and creates stutters and lag. Running a quick cycles preview render once on viewport seems to help alleviate the stuttering, but it is still there.
***Edit: viewport panning/rotating stutter and lag seems to be present when a camera object is selected as well, without the transform gizmo active, though the active "click and drag" handle function of changing the camera focal length should be taken into consideration as well for this bug.
Added subscriber: @DotBow
@fclem This weird lag behavior is last about month for now, don't it should be high priority and fixed since it is totally ruin usability?
This lug still in all latest builds and I can reproduce it on different machines.
Please, don't throw such bugs that makes blender unusable at all.
I wouldn't call it completely unusable, but it is peculiar that the gizmo tool works perfect on current 2.79 but has so much lag on 2.8. Its such a nice dynamic tool to use, I hope the bug can be fixed soon.
Move tool on - lagto Tranformation Gizmo is slowing down the viewportCan anyone try to reproduce the issue with tomorrow's built (March 24th) using
--debug-gpuas command line argument? This should disable Polygon and line smoothing on the gizmos. I want to know if that's the issue or something else.Hi @fclem.
I tried to launch blender with --debug-gpu. For me it made things worse - with gizmo changing view became super laggy, even pie menus won't open properly.
Yes, also.
with the --debug-gpu option, fps drops to ~ 1-2f/s
and Yes smoothing is disabled.
tried on two PC
win 10 x64 1050ti
win 7 x64 gtx960
2.80 Beta Windows 64 bit
Added subscriber: @ideasman42
This is strange. I'm not sure what other state could provoke this slowdown. @ideasman42 any idea?
Added subscribers: @lichtwerk, @brecht, @Rawalanche
@fclem Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to know if the bug's priority will be raised to high, to fix for release 2.80? Thanks!
with the
edc1b01675build and the --debug-gpu argument, everything is also slow down and even stronger.But when you run blender_debug_gpu.cmd, which is located in the folder with the build. and actively gizmo - works almost without lags.
logs will attach.blender_system_info.txt
blender_debug_output.txt
Did the situation improved with todays build?
@fclem
With 2.80 Beta Windows 64 bit May 09, 10:41:16 -
209c01a6bastill also...
I tested almost every build from 3 may til today- everything works perfect.
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17763 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 418.91
Added subscriber: @machieb
Same here, tested nearly every build since the code quest last year. No problem with the transformation gizmo. Maybe a driver problem?
Operating system: Windows-10 Pro 64bit
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 419.35
@SergienkoEugene Just to make sure:
the problem is still there even with today's build
I think that saying its related to gizmo is super misleading.
It is way more noticeable when gizmos are present but it's still there without it
I mentioned that before on topic that was merged here, the problem is there only if other software ( even in the background) is not using the video card
Opening anything next to blender instance will give an instant speedup that includes Nvidia Experience Overlay which is enabled on GTX cards by default, so 99% of users will not even notice unless they disable everything.
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@fclem
I tried on different PCs
win 7 x64 gtx 960
win 10 x64 gtx 1050 ti
win 10 x64 rtx 2080
with drivers 418.91 and 419.35.
I even tried to install a new OS on a clean ssd.
When running "only" Blender. There are no apps in the background.
no messengers, no browser, no photoshop. no applications using GPU.
We get lags.
As soon as we launch Telegram or Unity or ... (GPU using) everything becomes fine.
This wrote @niewinny in his #57677
Yes, exactly! Most people don't notice because they run lots of garbage in the background which prevents GPU from idling. Only in rare cases do people care about their system background processes remaining clean and not utilizing much of hardware resources. And only then this bug manifests. For some reason, in some cases, which include gizmos being visible, Blender keeps getting the GPU to idle, which causes constant lag spikes and stutter. I have to solve this by always launching OBS and keeping it running in the background, so that it keeps the GPU awake.
In Blender 2.79, this bug was present too, but it was possible to fix it by forcing High Performance profile for Blender.exe:
In 2.8 however, this fix unfortunately no longer works...
That's super weird, but you are right! When only blender running - super laggy. As soon as I start Unreal Engine 4 - everything starting to work fine.
I think this is related to #60043 to some extent. Can someone try to change the app setting in nvidia control panel to Performance Mode or something like that? Looks like the driver don't know that we are actually rendering and miss some frames.
Edit: Sorry just saw it does not work in 2.8
Alternatively is playback in blender fluid (test with settings set to 60fps)?
I´m using the Prefer Maximum Performance Option in the Nvidia Controll Panel ever since.
It is recommended in other 3D applications, we are working with in our company.
Maybe therefore I never experienced any performance lag?!
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works fine, almost always at 60 fps
but sags to red values
I didn't quite understand what we should see?
Added subscriber: @Znio.G
i too have the same issue even with the default scene ,and if i disable just the transform gizmos in the popover it goes back to normal speed...one note though the same for Active tools gizmos however if you hide them with the popover option the issue still there and u can select them even if they are hidden, probably that's another bug.
my Specs :
Windows 10 64bits
GTX 1050 Ti latest Driver
Blender 2.80.60 today's build.
Added subscriber: @LazyDodo
Can anyone test running GPU-Z while
Laggy (only blender running):
Smooth (OBS just running in the background - not recording):
Added subscriber: @Mephisto
Same problem
System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17763 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.86
Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 74), branch: blender2.7, commit date: 2019-06-04 22:32, hash:
e80cbdac33Added subscriber: @CarlosSierra
Added subscribers: @Nickbee, @JacquesLucke
Tranformation Gizmo is slowing down the viewportto Laggy interaction with gizmos, does not happen when running other 3D apps at the same timeAdded subscribers: @netzhang79, @0o00o0oo
Not related to the 3d program. Running other 3d software at the same time will still cause delays. Currently there is no delay in recording video and playing video.
Added subscriber: @xan2622
Hi.
By default (gizmos being hiden), everything works fine. I have tried to select faces on a cube very quickly, it worked fine. I could select them very quickly.
But after enabling Transform Gizmos (from the dropdown menu) and starting to select faces, I noticed a slight lag. And sometimes, I couldn't even see the "selection box".
Windows 10 64 bits on a SSD, nVidia GTX 1070 (latest drivers).
I'm not competent...
but the number faced with the problem is huge,
Yes, they all go to that branch and don't create a new bug.
is there any way to solve this bug before the release of 2.80?
Note we are talking to NVIDIA about this, but no solution yet.
Just to be sure, can this still be reproduced with the latest daily build?
We are having trouble reproducing this, and it's still unclear why this happens for some users and not others.
@brecht
Still the same
2.80 Beta Windows 64 bit June 24, 00:08:19 -
9c5d54bfafwin10 x64, 2080rtx, 430.86
win10 x64, 1050ti, 419.35
only Win + b3d - lag
Win + other run software + b3d - work
still there
maybe let's go back the replication stages
again here is how to replicate:
for the test let's use the emulation and alt+LMB since its easier to release that button
here is how we test just rapid rotation around the cube
what you should feel is an annoying slowdown
I will use the NVIDIA overlay since it's faster than opening an app but opening unity or steam client will doo as well
rotate a viewport with it enabled and disabled
also, I can get the same stuff on other PC and Wacom companion but only on Windows I have 0 problems on Linux
I currently don't have an nvidia card so can't check, but can you see if switching this option to maximum performance (for just blender, second tab in that screenshot, not global) solves the issue when blender is running alone?
lag is still there
I tried to change other options like vertical synch and resetting to default but no luck
It used to in 2.79 but no longer does in 2.8
System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17763 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 430.86
Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 74), branch: master, commit date: 2019-07-03 22:34, hash:
c252fe7a32The problem is still present.
Added subscriber: @ssendam
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ac8c795429Added subscriber: @Sergey
@Sergey and I spent quite some time debugging this, and we were finally able to reproduce it. We found the lagging to be worst when using the Move tool and dragging outside of the gizmo. Higher screen resolution also made a significant difference, like 2560x1440 instead 1920x1080. This was on a GTX 960 and Titan Xp, though the lag was more limited on the latter and perhaps just not noticeable except for the worst conditions.
We tried putting
glFlush()in various places, and disabling lots of drawing code but this didn't help. What I found helped on the Titan Xp was a tweak to the GPU selection queries, specifically for cases where the gizmo event handling uses them. I don't know if this solves the whole issue, since it may just be a specific case as we also found some lagging without gizmos.To tests this, please try the following in the latest build:
When a tool with a gizmo is enabled, it appears that every mousemove event causes a GPU select query. Disabling gizmo and overlay visibility does not stop that from happening, which might explain why we found lagging to still happen without gizmos.
If there are many such mouse move events, the 1ms sleep may added up to a significant amount. Or the CPU scheduler might switch to another thread or process and end up sleeping longer than 1ms.
Added subscriber: @rambobl
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With "Debug 474" no more lag. it work.
@niewinny can you check too?
Same here. I can confirm that debug code 474 solves the problem. Windows 10 1809 + GTX1080Ti
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db45aaafabChanged status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'
Great to hear it helped. I've now committed a slightly difference change, the latest builds should work without the debug value.
@brecht Thanks so much.
The new build works like a charm, awesome job