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WIP: Shift Extrude and Duplicate of meshes and objects #118968

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Kyler Kelly-Tan commented 2024-03-01 17:25:10 +01:00
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Summary

Provide a way to duplicate, in object mode, or extrude, in edit mode, by holding a modifier key while using transform gizmos.

This change was originally coded by Stanislav Blinov (radcapricorn)

https://archive.blender.org/developer/D9612

Rationale

Blender is lacking a gizmo-based Duplicate operator. Users working with gizmos are forced to use hotkeys to achieve desired result, or fall back to the duplicate-cancel-transform pattern which is incompatible with built-in repeat functionality.
Blender's Extrude gizmo does not provide full extrude functionality (i.e. it only activates the move transform), meaning that it requires the use of hotkeys for the other transforms; it also lacks transform planes. Additionally, with extrude being the commonly used tool while modeling, an extra tool switches are disruptive. For example, currently, to extrude and scale, one has to switch to the Extrude tool, extrude, cancel, switch to Scale tool, scale (two tool switches, no Repeat support). With the new functionality - switch to scale tool and scale while holding a modifier key (one tool switch, Repeat is supported).
Both the Duplicate and Extrude operators are intended to be used in concert with transform tools, an approach which that is well accessible to users that rely on hotkeys, but is sadly missing for users that work with gizmos. This patch aims to rectify that by allowing to use transform gizmos for the aforementioned operators directly, which solves both issues outlined above.

I believe many users, especially those coming from other software, would use this feature extremely often.

Usage

Both in object and edit mode, activating a move, rotate, or scale transform gizmo while holding a modifier key, results in invocation of Duplicate + relevant transform (in object mode) or Extrude + relevant transform (in edit mode).

At the moment, the modifier key is Shift. This is a workflow-breaking change, since Shift is historically used for axis exclusion. However, with gizmos providing transform plane widgets, using Shift for axis exclusion is almost redundant. My personal opinion is that this is an acceptable loss in favor of the new functionality, thought this does require further discussion and work.

To Do (by Kylerk)

  • Determine how to correctly implement shift as a hotkey (it's currently hardcoded, I can't tell if that is the way it should be, shift by itself is currently not listed in the keymap)
  • This code was said to be "prototype" code in the original. I don't really see what obviously needs changes. However I only understand what is going on at a pretty basic level.
  • Get feedback and see what everybody thinks about this in the modern day.
  • Further testing to see if there are any edge cases or problems we haven't discovered yet.

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**Summary** Provide a way to duplicate, in object mode, or extrude, in edit mode, by holding a modifier key while using transform gizmos. This change was originally coded by Stanislav Blinov (radcapricorn) https://archive.blender.org/developer/D9612 **Rationale** Blender is lacking a gizmo-based Duplicate operator. Users working with gizmos are forced to use hotkeys to achieve desired result, or fall back to the duplicate-cancel-transform pattern which is incompatible with built-in repeat functionality. Blender's Extrude gizmo does not provide full extrude functionality (i.e. it only activates the move transform), meaning that it requires the use of hotkeys for the other transforms; it also lacks transform planes. Additionally, with extrude being the commonly used tool while modeling, an extra tool switches are disruptive. For example, currently, to extrude and scale, one has to switch to the Extrude tool, extrude, cancel, switch to Scale tool, scale (two tool switches, no Repeat support). With the new functionality - switch to scale tool and scale while holding a modifier key (one tool switch, Repeat is supported). Both the Duplicate and Extrude operators are intended to be used in concert with transform tools, an approach which that is well accessible to users that rely on hotkeys, but is sadly missing for users that work with gizmos. This patch aims to rectify that by allowing to use transform gizmos for the aforementioned operators directly, which solves both issues outlined above. I believe many users, especially those coming from other software, would use this feature extremely often. **Usage** Both in object and edit mode, activating a move, rotate, or scale transform gizmo while holding a modifier key, results in invocation of Duplicate + relevant transform (in object mode) or Extrude + relevant transform (in edit mode). At the moment, the modifier key is Shift. This is a workflow-breaking change, since Shift is historically used for axis exclusion. However, with gizmos providing transform plane widgets, using Shift for axis exclusion is almost redundant. My personal opinion is that this is an acceptable loss in favor of the new functionality, thought this does require further discussion and work. **To Do (by Kylerk)** - [x] Determine how to correctly implement shift as a hotkey (it's currently hardcoded, I can't tell if that is the way it should be, shift by itself is currently not listed in the keymap) - [x] This code was said to be "prototype" code in the original. I don't really see what obviously needs changes. However I only understand what is going on at a pretty basic level. - [x] Get feedback and see what everybody thinks about this in the modern day. - [x] Further testing to see if there are any edge cases or problems we haven't discovered yet. Video provided by (radcapricorn)
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Kyler Kelly-Tan added 4 commits 2024-03-01 17:25:19 +01:00
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Provide a way to duplicate, in object mode, or extrude, in edit mode, by holding a modifier key while using transform gizmos.

Continuing work done by Stanislav Blinov https://archive.blender.org/developer/D9612
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TheRedWaxPolice commented 2024-03-01 17:38:08 +01:00
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Thanks for working on this. It's one of my favorite features from other 3D applications. 🙂

Thanks for working on this. It's one of my favorite features from other 3D applications. 🙂
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ThinkingPolygons commented 2024-03-01 17:52:36 +01:00
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For the record, that video is from the original patch author, I just shared it.

But yes, huge thanks for working on it. This is so intuitive, it will really make blender much more user friendly.
Good luck on the process.

> Video provided by @ThinkingPolygons For the record, that video is from the original patch author, I just shared it. But yes, huge thanks for working on it. This is so intuitive, it will really make blender much more user friendly. Good luck on the process.
Paul Kotelevets commented 2024-03-02 01:26:53 +01:00
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Nice to see an implementation.

Is linked data object duplicating (alt+D by default) is supposed to be supported?

How about something like alt+shift+gizmo for providing duplicate linked functionality?
Same combination could be used for duplicating mesh selection as well (edit mode shift+D), such a functionality also doesnt seem to be supported at the moment.

Nice to see an implementation. Is linked data object duplicating (alt+D by default) is supposed to be supported? How about something like alt+shift+gizmo for providing duplicate linked functionality? Same combination could be used for duplicating mesh selection as well (edit mode shift+D), such a functionality also doesnt seem to be supported at the moment.
Torrent commented 2024-03-02 12:54:54 +01:00
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Can't believe that functionality is coming. This is amazing. 👍

Some personal thoughts:

Determine how to correctly implement shift as a hotkey (it's currently hardcoded, I can't tell if that is the way it should be

I don't think Shift should be hardcoded. It would be great if we had the ability to change that to Ctrl or Alt too. Some 3D apps have it on Ctrl and I would prefer to use that in blender as well. It makes more sense to me than Shift (Ctrl is in a better position on the keyboard imo).

This code was said to be "prototype" code in the original. I don't really see what obviously needs changes. However I only understand what is going on at a pretty basic level.

Prototype maybe because it was a work in progress? I don't know. Only a developer can tell.
Also I hope you master this code so you can make changes and additional improvements more easily. As you can see in the post above, there's a request already to add Duplicate Linked on Shift+Alt. I wouldn't add any of this on the first implementation but that's not up to me.

Get feedback and see what everybody thinks about this in the modern day.

This feature is clearly a must have, and a very important one. No doubt about that.

Further testing to see if there are any edge cases or problems we haven't discovered yet.

How to test? Is there a build somewhere? (I don't compile blender).

How about something like alt+shift+gizmo for providing duplicate linked functionality?
Same combination could be used for duplicating mesh selection as well, such a functionality also doesnt seem to be supported at the moment.

This sounds like stuff for future improvements, not urgently needed on the first implementation, imo.
We should get the basics in first.

Can't believe that functionality is coming. This is amazing. 👍 Some personal thoughts: > Determine how to correctly implement shift as a hotkey (it's currently hardcoded, I can't tell if that is the way it should be I don't think Shift should be hardcoded. It would be great if we had the ability to change that to Ctrl or Alt too. Some 3D apps have it on Ctrl and I would prefer to use that in blender as well. It makes more sense to me than Shift (Ctrl is in a better position on the keyboard imo). > This code was said to be "prototype" code in the original. I don't really see what obviously needs changes. However I only understand what is going on at a pretty basic level. Prototype maybe because it was a work in progress? I don't know. Only a developer can tell. Also I hope you master this code so you can make changes and additional improvements more easily. As you can see in the post above, there's a request already to add Duplicate Linked on Shift+Alt. I wouldn't add any of this on the first implementation but that's not up to me. > Get feedback and see what everybody thinks about this in the modern day. This feature is clearly a must have, and a very important one. No doubt about that. > Further testing to see if there are any edge cases or problems we haven't discovered yet. How to test? Is there a build somewhere? (I don't compile blender). ___ > How about something like alt+shift+gizmo for providing duplicate linked functionality? Same combination could be used for duplicating mesh selection as well, such a functionality also doesnt seem to be supported at the moment. This sounds like stuff for future improvements, not urgently needed on the first implementation, imo. We should get the basics in first.
Daniel Gryningstjerna commented 2024-03-02 13:59:19 +01:00
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Super cool! 🥳 Nice that it will finally be added to Blender soon!

Super cool! 🥳 Nice that it will finally be added to Blender soon!
Kyler Kelly-Tan commented 2024-03-03 05:15:21 +01:00
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Just a question about the question of hardcoding this to shift.

From what I can tell, CTRL and ALT are hard coded for all their basic functions, like camera moves, and snapping. I don't think they can be changed by the user very easily.

I'm pretty sure that SHIFT is treated in a similar way in the code, meaning it's not able to be part of a normal keymap like other keys can.

For this reason, I don't think it would be very viable to make this feature "key-mappable".

Perhaps making a separate PR that was about making keys like CTLR, ALT and SHIFT remappable would be it's own thing.

Though I'm guessing that would be a pretty huge task, with little known benefit.

Just a question about the question of hardcoding this to shift. From what I can tell, CTRL and ALT are hard coded for all their basic functions, like camera moves, and snapping. I don't think they can be changed by the user very easily. I'm pretty sure that SHIFT is treated in a similar way in the code, meaning it's not able to be part of a normal keymap like other keys can. For this reason, I don't think it would be very viable to make this feature "key-mappable". Perhaps making a separate PR that was about making keys like CTLR, ALT and SHIFT remappable would be it's own thing. Though I'm guessing that would be a pretty huge task, with little known benefit.
Paul Kotelevets commented 2024-03-03 06:40:21 +01:00
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If previous functionality (locking plane) was hardcoded it seems to be safe to provide the proposed substitution in hardcoded form, since the list of a functionality to satisfy is pretty much predefined (duplicating, linked duplicating and extrude in both object and edit modes), and the proposed approach doesnot assume any possible functionality expansion beyound this list.

Taking into account modifier keys accessible to preliminary gizmo interaction - Shift is going to be intentionally substituted, Alt+Shift is free to occupy, Ctrl is already occupied with snapping.

If previous functionality (locking plane) was hardcoded it seems to be safe to provide the proposed substitution in hardcoded form, since the list of a functionality to satisfy is pretty much predefined (duplicating, linked duplicating and extrude in both object and edit modes), and the proposed approach doesnot assume any possible functionality expansion beyound this list. Taking into account modifier keys accessible to preliminary gizmo interaction - Shift is going to be intentionally substituted, Alt+Shift is free to occupy, Ctrl is already occupied with snapping.
TheRedWaxPolice commented 2024-03-03 08:17:10 +01:00
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From what I can tell, CTRL and ALT are hard coded for all their basic functions, like camera moves, and snapping

@kylerk The Ctrl for snapping is not hardcoded
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Not even the Alt navigate...

> From what I can tell, CTRL and ALT are hard coded for all their basic functions, like camera moves, and snapping @kylerk The Ctrl for snapping is not hardcoded ![image](/attachments/f5d08196-3abb-454b-8934-f455d50966b9) Not even the Alt navigate...
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Paul Kotelevets commented 2024-03-03 16:17:50 +01:00
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Ctrl for snapping is not hardcoded, but is already occupied in transform modal map. Gizmo interactions are hardcoded, so its reasonable to use modifier keys, unoccupied in transform modal map.

Ctrl for snapping is not hardcoded, but is already occupied in transform modal map. Gizmo interactions are hardcoded, so its reasonable to use modifier keys, unoccupied in transform modal map.
Kyler Kelly-Tan commented 2024-03-04 22:37:15 +01:00
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I was wrong about CTRL and ALT being hard coded, those do appear in the keymap. Thanks for pointing that out.

I researched this today, and it does appear that @1D_Inc is right about this being a Gizmo interaction that is hard coded. I found the original interaction for shift + click on axis handle.

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It's caught via KM_Shift.

I'm going to assume that it would be a significant job to change gizmo interactions from being hardcoded to remappable, and that should probably PR by itself. I think my initial peak into that possibility revealed it would be a pretty enormous change.

I tried to recover the Swap Axis Capability, by making it chorded to SHIFT+ALT, but that appears to be very difficult given how the gizmo modifiers are passed. The data of the different keys isn't encoded together, they just overwrite each other.

So I think this is the best way it can be for now.

I do strongly believe "Shift" being Extrude and duplicate, is far more useful to more users that the "Axis Plane Swap", as there mouse can easily push the gizmo plane.

I was wrong about CTRL and ALT being hard coded, those do appear in the keymap. Thanks for pointing that out. I researched this today, and it does appear that @1D_Inc is right about this being a Gizmo interaction that is hard coded. I found the original interaction for shift + click on axis handle. ![image](/attachments/d765b431-a4f4-4b93-b2d2-55f246e84f94) It's caught via KM_Shift. I'm going to assume that it would be a significant job to change gizmo interactions from being hardcoded to remappable, and that should probably PR by itself. I think my initial peak into that possibility revealed it would be a pretty enormous change. I tried to recover the Swap Axis Capability, by making it chorded to SHIFT+ALT, but that appears to be very difficult given how the gizmo modifiers are passed. The data of the different keys isn't encoded together, they just overwrite each other. So I think this is the best way it can be for now. I do strongly believe "Shift" being Extrude and duplicate, is far more useful to more users that the "Axis Plane Swap", as there mouse can easily push the gizmo plane.
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Paul Kotelevets commented 2024-03-05 00:01:17 +01:00
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I do strongly believe "Shift" being Extrude and duplicate, is far more useful to more users that the "Axis Plane Swap", as there mouse can easily push the gizmo plane.

Sure!
This is why those control planes has been added quite recently, there is no need to recover swap axis via gizmo interaction hotkeys anymore.
Shift key was originally assigned to axis exclude (the comment in the code is wrong - it was not "axis swap", it was "axis exclude" functionality) because there were no such kind of a controlling planes in gizmo by design, and now it is fixed.

I'm going to assume that it would be a significant job to change gizmo interactions from being hardcoded to remappable, and that should probably PR by itself.

Yes, it will be definitely dificult, luckily it is not needed to solve the task.

SHIFT+ALT, but that appears to be very difficult given how the gizmo modifiers are passed. The data of the different keys isn't encoded together, they just overwrite each other.

How about to assign

  • object linked duplication (bpy.ops.object.duplicate_move_linked by Alt+D)
  • and edit mode selection duplication (bpy.ops.mesh.duplicate_move by Shift+D)

functionality simply to ALT+gizmo instead of previously proposed SHIFT+ALT+gizmo?

KM_ALT key seems to be unused for both gizmos interaction and transform modal map at the moment, so it is pretty safe to occupy it for such a purposes.

> I do strongly believe "Shift" being Extrude and duplicate, is far more useful to more users that the "Axis Plane Swap", as there mouse can easily push the gizmo plane. Sure! This is why those control planes has been added quite recently, there is no need to recover swap axis via gizmo interaction hotkeys anymore. Shift key was originally assigned to axis exclude (the comment in the code is wrong - it was not "axis swap", it was "axis exclude" functionality) because there were no such kind of a controlling planes in gizmo by design, and now it is fixed. > I'm going to assume that it would be a significant job to change gizmo interactions from being hardcoded to remappable, and that should probably PR by itself. Yes, it will be definitely dificult, luckily it is not needed to solve the task. > SHIFT+ALT, but that appears to be very difficult given how the gizmo modifiers are passed. The data of the different keys isn't encoded together, they just overwrite each other. How about to assign - object linked duplication (`bpy.ops.object.duplicate_move_linked` by Alt+D) - and edit mode selection duplication (`bpy.ops.mesh.duplicate_move` by Shift+D) functionality simply to ALT+gizmo instead of previously proposed SHIFT+ALT+gizmo? KM_ALT key seems to be unused for both gizmos interaction and transform modal map at the moment, so it is pretty safe to occupy it for such a purposes.
Kyler Kelly-Tan commented 2024-03-05 03:41:15 +01:00
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ALT+gizmo isn't great, as it might mess with peoples navigation which is used extremely often.

I'm out of things that I feel need to be explored on this feature, so I'm going to remove the WIP.
Using it in practice feels really good, and I think many users will use it a lot. I think additional things could be added to future PRs.

ALT+gizmo isn't great, as it might mess with peoples navigation which is used extremely often. I'm out of things that I feel need to be explored on this feature, so I'm going to remove the WIP. Using it in practice feels really good, and I think many users will use it a lot. I think additional things could be added to future PRs.
Kyler Kelly-Tan changed title from WIP: Shift Extrude and Duplicate of meshes and objects to Shift Extrude and Duplicate of meshes and objects 2024-03-05 03:41:23 +01:00
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ALT+gizmo isn't great, as it might mess with peoples navigation which is used extremely often.

Can you please explain which way, I am not sure if I got this point right. Do you mean emulate 3 button mouse?

If so, how about SHIFT+RMB? It is used for dragging 3dcursor, which is useful, but not extremely relevant as, say, viewport navigation, so it could also be possibly shared also for gizmo interactions with an affordable tradeoff.

> ALT+gizmo isn't great, as it might mess with peoples navigation which is used extremely often. Can you please explain which way, I am not sure if I got this point right. Do you mean emulate 3 button mouse? If so, how about SHIFT+RMB? It is used for dragging 3dcursor, which is useful, but not extremely relevant as, say, viewport navigation, so it could also be possibly shared also for gizmo interactions with an affordable tradeoff.
Paul Kotelevets commented 2024-03-06 00:50:58 +01:00
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For sure, it would be nice to implement regular duplication and extrude functionality now, since Blender is ready for that, so it will not take much efforts, but it would be nice to have duplicate linked and editmode duplication resolved later at some point in case if it assume deeper involvement, since such a functionality is also basic and therefore is quite demanded.

For sure, it would be nice to implement regular duplication and extrude functionality now, since Blender is ready for that, so it will not take much efforts, but it would be nice to have duplicate linked and editmode duplication resolved later at some point in case if it assume deeper involvement, since such a functionality is also basic and therefore is quite demanded.
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fb12733803 Removed Shift Clicking Gizmo handles to constrain on secondary axis. 
Due to adding shift extrude and duplicate.  This code can no longer do anything, so has been removed.
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I explored more into setting up Alt to be linked duplication.

I ran into a few issues.

  1. When you press alt, while you are highlighting a transform gizmo, it unhighlights. (even if you turn off Alt navigation). So you can no longer click on the gizmo. I tried to find out exactly why this is, but I couldn't track it down.

  2. I don't understand the original authors code well enough to be able to understand how to branch the code at the correct place to decided between duplicate and duplicate linked. I have some suspicions, but my grasp of blender is not high enough. In particular in the wm_gizmo_map.cc, there is gzop = WM_gizmo_operator_get(gz, 16);

I don't understand why 16 is the right number for this, or how this code results in selecting the right gzop in the end. I followed the debug path of this code for a long time, but still don't understand where the selection of Operation actually happens.

  1. Using Shift + right click or using CTRL. These are controls that are already taken by other things in blender.

So at this stage, I truly am giving up on linked duplication. I do see it's benefit, but I can't manage to make it happen.

I'm sure my lack of understanding this code will gnaw away at me, and someday I will be forced to look at it again and maybe then I can implement it.

I explored more into setting up Alt to be linked duplication. I ran into a few issues. 1. When you press alt, while you are highlighting a transform gizmo, it unhighlights. (even if you turn off Alt navigation). So you can no longer click on the gizmo. I tried to find out exactly why this is, but I couldn't track it down. 2. I don't understand the original authors code well enough to be able to understand how to branch the code at the correct place to decided between duplicate and duplicate linked. I have some suspicions, but my grasp of blender is not high enough. In particular in the wm_gizmo_map.cc, there is gzop = WM_gizmo_operator_get(gz, 16); I don't understand why 16 is the right number for this, or how this code results in selecting the right gzop in the end. I followed the debug path of this code for a long time, but still don't understand where the selection of Operation actually happens. 3. Using Shift + right click or using CTRL. These are controls that are already taken by other things in blender. So at this stage, I truly am giving up on linked duplication. I do see it's benefit, but I can't manage to make it happen. I'm sure my lack of understanding this code will gnaw away at me, and someday I will be forced to look at it again and maybe then I can implement it.
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Daniel Gryningstjerna commented 2024-03-11 20:13:06 +01:00
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I explored more into setting up Alt to be linked duplication.

I ran into a few issues.

  1. When you press alt, while you are highlighting a transform gizmo, it unhighlights. (even if you turn off Alt navigation). So you can no longer click on the gizmo. I tried to find out exactly why this is, but I couldn't track it down.

  2. I don't understand the original authors code well enough to be able to understand how to branch the code at the correct place to decided between duplicate and duplicate linked. I have some suspicions, but my grasp of blender is not high enough. In particular in the wm_gizmo_map.cc, there is gzop = WM_gizmo_operator_get(gz, 16);

I don't understand why 16 is the right number for this, or how this code results in selecting the right gzop in the end. I followed the debug path of this code for a long time, but still don't understand where the selection of Operation actually happens.

  1. Using Shift + right click or using CTRL. These are controls that are already taken by other things in blender.

So at this stage, I truly am giving up on linked duplication. I do see it's benefit, but I can't manage to make it happen.

I'm sure my lack of understanding this code will gnaw away at me, and someday I will be forced to look at it again and maybe then I can implement it.

Hi, thanks for trying! But I do not think its a super big issue since you can still change it to linked duplicate in the operation settings, so as long as the current used setting is savde for the next time you duplicate, I feel like it should be okay :)

This is similar to how it works in other softwares like 3ds Max. in Maya its not even an option, it always just duplicates the mesh.
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> I explored more into setting up Alt to be linked duplication. > > I ran into a few issues. > > 1. When you press alt, while you are highlighting a transform gizmo, it unhighlights. (even if you turn off Alt navigation). So you can no longer click on the gizmo. I tried to find out exactly why this is, but I couldn't track it down. > > 2. I don't understand the original authors code well enough to be able to understand how to branch the code at the correct place to decided between duplicate and duplicate linked. I have some suspicions, but my grasp of blender is not high enough. In particular in the wm_gizmo_map.cc, there is gzop = WM_gizmo_operator_get(gz, 16); > > I don't understand why 16 is the right number for this, or how this code results in selecting the right gzop in the end. I followed the debug path of this code for a long time, but still don't understand where the selection of Operation actually happens. > > 3. Using Shift + right click or using CTRL. These are controls that are already taken by other things in blender. > > So at this stage, I truly am giving up on linked duplication. I do see it's benefit, but I can't manage to make it happen. > > I'm sure my lack of understanding this code will gnaw away at me, and someday I will be forced to look at it again and maybe then I can implement it. > Hi, thanks for trying! But I do not think its a super big issue since you can still change it to linked duplicate in the operation settings, so as long as the current used setting is savde for the next time you duplicate, I feel like it should be okay :) This is similar to how it works in other softwares like 3ds Max. in Maya its not even an option, it always just duplicates the mesh. ![image](/attachments/06585c1f-b2fc-4509-a011-278c7756059e)
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Paul Kotelevets commented 2024-03-12 07:38:10 +01:00
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Yes, in Max it was solved because it has extended instancing that includes one-way refrencing, in Maya it has never been solved. From my experience, C4D users also had some problems with understanding instancing mechanics, and confuse it with Cloner quite often.

Thanks for trying!

Yes, in Max it was solved because it has extended instancing that includes one-way refrencing, in Maya it has never been solved. From my experience, C4D users also had some problems with understanding instancing mechanics, and confuse it with Cloner quite often. Thanks for trying!
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I have been working on this more. Going to put it back into WIP.

I discovered some issues with different keymaps being assigned, preventing this from working at all.

I've also been diving further into the possibility of linked duplication via holding ALT. I've got it working, though it's a real pile of code. I suspect I can adjust it to remove some repeated code.

I've also been experimenting with ALT in mesh mode being "Split" so you can easily disconnect pieces. Not sure if it is the right move yet. It might be a more dangerous capability than useful.

I think I want to dive deeper into understanding if it's possible to make this thing keymap-abled.

I have been working on this more. Going to put it back into WIP. I discovered some issues with different keymaps being assigned, preventing this from working at all. I've also been diving further into the possibility of linked duplication via holding ALT. I've got it working, though it's a real pile of code. I suspect I can adjust it to remove some repeated code. I've also been experimenting with ALT in mesh mode being "Split" so you can easily disconnect pieces. Not sure if it is the right move yet. It might be a more dangerous capability than useful. I think I want to dive deeper into understanding if it's possible to make this thing keymap-abled.
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Kyler Kelly-Tan changed title from Shift Extrude and Duplicate of meshes and objects to WIP: Shift Extrude and Duplicate of meshes and objects 2024-03-21 16:44:34 +01:00
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1d072bdf1a Changed the mesh split to Duplicate 
Also change linked duplicate and mesh region duplicate to SHIFT + ALT, to make it a more intentional choice.
Kyler Kelly-Tan commented 2024-03-21 17:35:53 +01:00
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I've made another choices, putting linked duplicate on SHIFT + ALT, and changing the mesh operation of SHIFT + ALT to duplicate

The split option just felt destructive and weird, and this makes it someone more consistent, that shift + alt is always a "creation" operation, and not a destruction operation.

I've made another choices, putting linked duplicate on SHIFT + ALT, and changing the mesh operation of SHIFT + ALT to duplicate The split option just felt destructive and weird, and this makes it someone more consistent, that shift + alt is always a "creation" operation, and not a destruction operation.
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Kyler Kelly-Tan commented 2024-03-21 17:41:56 +01:00
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There was something I discoverd, this keymap "Generic Gizmo Maybe Drag" needs to be set to "Any" and have Alt turned on for this stuff to work.

Still have to figure out how to implement that in my PR.

![image](/attachments/7fa965d6-49a8-49f2-8976-c569e55baba5) There was something I discoverd, this keymap "Generic Gizmo Maybe Drag" needs to be set to "Any" and have Alt turned on for this stuff to work. Still have to figure out how to implement that in my PR.
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I've made another choices, putting linked duplicate on SHIFT + ALT, and changing the mesh operation of SHIFT + ALT to duplicate

Sounds great 👍

I wish someone could run the bot to make a package so we could test a little bit

> I've made another choices, putting linked duplicate on SHIFT + ALT, and changing the mesh operation of SHIFT + ALT to duplicate Sounds great 👍 I wish someone could run the bot to make a package so we could test a little bit
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Lets see if that works @ThinkingPolygons Let me know if you need a different platform

@blender-bot build package windows Lets see if that works @ThinkingPolygons Let me know if you need a different platform
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