UI: Topbar Menu Changes #106654
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A number of proposed changes to the Topbar menus to make them a bit
more organized, safer, cleaner, discoverable, and easier to use.
Note that this PR is not based on an approved design. This can be used for testing, but most review and comments should probably be directed first to the design doc: #106654.
The following represents the overall consensus after about 2 years of discussions on our old phab. I'm hoping we can discuss this again here with the (hopeful) goal of incorporating these changes into Blender 4.0
First the App (blender logo) menu loses the "Splash" and "About" items to the Help Menu. The "System" submenu expands out. "Install Application Template" moves to File Menu. This leaves it with only items that most new users can safely ignore at first.
Some "File" menu items move a bit, with all the "Loading" and "Saving" items grouped. This splits "Import" and "Export" which can be easily miss-selected and cause damage. This also leaves it shorter to better add #104678.
The File "New" submenu gets an item to install new templates, moved from "App"....
The Edit menu only changes slightly, with "Undo History" and "Adjust Last Operation" moving a bit.
The Help menu mostly getting a cleanup with some icons changed and removed, and addition of "Splash" and "About"
The original discussion is here. I'm not sure there was any consensus from the UI team members on this. There were some comments on specific but not the overall ideas.
https://archive.blender.org/developer/D8706
My issues with this:
No, "consensus" was not the best word. That patch and the discussion started with quite a few negative comments at first that improved as suggestions were rolled into it. It sort of settled into a place that most people seemed to like. But nice to get a chance to restart the discussion.
I'm personally not too invested in anything here; I just think it a nice time to consider with 4.0
Yes, that would be nice.
No. I think someone just mentioned in a devtalk thread that it was too easy to select the wrong menu and do an import instead of an export. I mostly stuck that change in so we could talk about and not forget about it.
And would get a bit worse with #106254. I find sections easier to scan if there is only one icon on the first item. With existing menu that would be a new separator between "New" and "Open" and removing some later icons.
Agreed, but I have had no luck in suggesting that we stop using the "blender logo" menu.
I'd like to leave feedback as user.
Splash Screen is something I access quite often, and I think it makes perfect sense that it's in the app category. When I wanted to find it for the first time I just thought "this icon looks like splash screen one it must be here" and it was. Its very intuitive and doesn't deserve to be hidden.
I agree with Brecht that most of the changes are fine, but File menu is changing too much and gets very very inconsistent with other softwares. Grouping of Import/Export is very important and intuitive, they also need to be seperated from others. I just know i'll have to search for them any time I open that because they're not visibly separated. Also I don't think anyone else has the issue of mixing them up.
Saving options also need to be separated from Import/Export options. It might make sense to group them, but again, visual association is very importation. When I open menu that is quite large I wanna remember things like "Save is in the second group", "import/export is forth one" and etc. That's how those things work and changes disrupt that.
What I would change in File menu is drop Data Previews with Clean Up and External Data as it belongs there, but nothing else. Not even Defaults menu. Defaults is very different thing from others. It changes Application entirely and can't be grouped with Clean Up and External Data which are .blend file exclusive properties.
I like the grouping, and the removal of those separators. Used to seeing import and export next to each other everywhere, but the two things look the same from a text and icon perspective. Separating them is good. There isn't enough stuff in file menu to get lost and wonder where the import or export went if you can see one of them.
Could take this opportunity to combine "about" and "splash", they serve similar purposes
Mixed this review with the other patch. Sorry for the noise.
Closing this. A subset of these changes (Edit and Help Menus) were committed with
347e4692de
Pull request closed