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WIP: Snapping Redesign: Defaults | Navigation | Drawing | Removals #109062

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Germano Cavalcante commented 2023-06-16 21:24:50 +02:00
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This PR is a step towards applying the changes suggested in #108669.

The changes here are:

  • The Snap Base symbol has been changed (before it was an X, now it is the same as the target)
  • Navigation while transforming is now always enabled.
  • Tools and DragDrop snapping now follow the options set in the scene.
  • Default Snap To: Vertex, Edge, Edge Center and Edge Perpendicular
  • Default Affect: Move, Rotate and Scale

Also made another minor change not mentioned in the main task:

  • The order of elements in the Snap menu has been changed.

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How to test:

Snap Base symbol

  • Select any object, press G + B, click on a snapped point or
  • Try Snap Perpendicular either with the Measure Tool or by moving objects

One of the reasons for this change was to not conflict with any possible symbols used for #107054. These symbols follow a pattern already quite usual in the industry.

Navigation while transforming

  • Press G, R or S to move, rotate or scale an object. Mouse Scroll to Zoom

Note now that to change the Proportional Edit area you now need to press Alt and Scrool with the Mouse.

Tools and DragDrop snapping

  • Enable Snap and test the Measure Tool to measure an object.
  • Enable Snap, grab any object in the Outliner and drag it into the 3D View.

TODO:

  • Disable unpredictable snapping of Rotate and Scale if the Pivot is in the same position as the Snap Base

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This PR is a step towards applying the changes suggested in #108669. The changes here are: - The `Snap Base` symbol has been changed (before it was an X, now it is the same as the target) - Navigation while transforming is now always enabled. - Tools and DragDrop snapping now follow the options set in the scene. - Default `Snap To`: `Vertex`, `Edge`, `Edge Center` and `Edge Perpendicular` - Default `Affect`: `Move`, `Rotate` and `Scale` Also made another minor change not mentioned in the main task: - The order of elements in the Snap menu has been changed. --- ![GIF.gif](attachments/c15358f6-b3b6-4415-a939-61fe71fd8674) ## How to test: ## **Snap Base** symbol - Select any object, press `G` + `B`, click on a snapped point or - Try Snap Perpendicular either with the Measure Tool or by moving objects One of the reasons for this change was to not conflict with any possible symbols used for #107054. These symbols follow a pattern already quite usual in the industry. ## Navigation while transforming - Press `G`, `R` or `S` to move, rotate or scale an object. Mouse Scroll to Zoom Note now that to change the Proportional Edit area you now need to press `Alt` and Scrool with the Mouse. ## Tools and DragDrop snapping - Enable Snap and test the Measure Tool to measure an object. - Enable Snap, grab any object in the Outliner and drag it into the 3D View. ## TODO: - Disable unpredictable snapping of Rotate and Scale if the `Pivot` is in the same position as the `Snap Base` ## Builds: https://builder.blender.org/download/patch/PR109062/
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54d99db227 Snapping Redesign: Defaults | Navigation | Drawing | Removals 
This PR is a step towards applying the changes suggested in #108669.

The changes here are:
- The `Snap Base` symbol has been changed (before it was an X, now it is a small target)
- Navigation while transforming is now always enabled.
- The `Snap With` `Closest` option has been removed (`Median` is the new default).
- Tools and DragDrop snapping now follow the options set in the scene.
- Default `Snap To`: `Vertex`, `Edge`, `Edge Center` and `Edge Perpendicular`
- Default `Affect`: `Move`, `Rotate` and `Scale`

Also made another minor change not mentioned in the main task:
- The order of elements in the Snap menu has been changed.

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##How to test:

# `Snap Base` symbol:
- Select any object, press `G` + `B`, click on a snapped point or
- Try Snap Perpendicular either with the Measure Tool or by moving objects

# Navigation while transforming
- Press `G`, `R` or `S` to move, rotate or scale an object. Mouse Scroll to Zoom

Note now that to change the Proportional Edit area you now need to press `Alt` and Scrool with the Mouse.

# Tools and DragDrop snapping
- Enable Snap and test the Measure Tool to measure an object.
- Enable Snap, grab any object in the Outliner and drag it into the 3D View.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos commented 2023-06-17 02:18:36 +02:00
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The removal of Closest snapping seems like a step backwards to me. I understand the need to remove redundancy, but in this case it doesn't serve us well. It makes the snapping workflow much slower, by forcing one to set a base point most of the time.

Unless an option exists to always ask for a base point before any transformation (which would still be more cumbersome than current behavior) , the removal of closest makes some trivial snapping scenarios unpractical.

For example it makes Scale snapping seem broken and not work by default when using Median , neither in Edit Mode nor in Object Mode.

See this common scenario that used to work well before

The removal of _Closest_ snapping seems like a step backwards to me. I understand the need to remove redundancy, but in this case it doesn't serve us well. It makes the snapping workflow much slower, by forcing one to set a base point most of the time. Unless an option exists to always ask for a base point before any transformation (which would still be more cumbersome than current behavior) , the removal of closest makes some trivial snapping scenarios unpractical. For example it makes _Scale_ snapping seem broken and not work by default when using _Median_ , neither in _Edit Mode_ nor in _Object Mode_. See this common scenario that used to work well before <video src="/attachments/ae533204-ee13-4778-9e5b-895d9fd04d07" title="Blender_SnapScale.mp4" controls></video>
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I merged the patch #107054. This will make it easier to test and better decide the design for Snap Base.

@DuarteRamos , good explanation and demonstration.
Removing Closest is indeed one of the most controversial points.
It is worth remembering that this patch is not the final decision.
Closest has some drawbacks, confusing usage, different behavior depending on mode...
Now it can kind of be replaced by Snap Base.

Removing it could have the advantage of simplifying the interface and usage.

But I can see that keeping it has its advantages. And Median doesn't seem to be the most ideal for Scale and Rotate operations.

In fact, removing it might not be the most convenient.

I merged the patch #107054. This will make it easier to test and better decide the design for `Snap Base`. @DuarteRamos , good explanation and demonstration. Removing `Closest` is indeed one of the most controversial points. It is worth remembering that this patch is not the final decision. `Closest` has some drawbacks, confusing usage, different behavior depending on mode... Now it can kind of be replaced by `Snap Base`. Removing it could have the advantage of simplifying the interface and usage. But I can see that keeping it has its advantages. And `Median` doesn't seem to be the most ideal for Scale and Rotate operations. In fact, removing it might not be the most convenient.
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Update:

The Snap Base symbol is now the Snap Target symbol at confirmation time.

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I updated the PR so that:

  • the Snap Base symbol is now the circle when the type (Edge, Vertex or Edge Center) is not defined.
  • The Snap Base in Set Snap Base mode appears while multi-point snap points (A key) are being added.

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I updated the PR so that: - the `Snap Base` symbol is now the circle when the type (Edge, Vertex or Edge Center) is not defined. - The `Snap Base` in `Set Snap Base` mode appears while multi-point snap points (`A` key) are being added. @blender-bot package
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos commented 2023-06-21 19:17:42 +02:00
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Latest build seems to have broken snapping to and from curves.

Setting base point while in curve edit mode also doesn't work for curve points, only meshes or other object types.

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Latest build seems to have broken snapping to and from curves. Setting base point while in curve edit mode also doesn't work for curve points, only meshes or other object types. ![BSE_CameraSnap.gif](/attachments/bf6dbb4c-6c5f-4552-bdb8-1bf4e88f4b41)
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Updates:

  • Closest option has been brought back (and it's the default one as it works well with Scale and Rotate).
  • New design for the snapping symbol

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For the design I considered what was mentioned in devtalk.

The design mixes two solutions. Symbols and icons.

The choice of icons followed the logic:

  • Circle(∞l): indicates that the snap is loose in space (Snap to Volume, Multiple snap points added or the Undefined Base Snap);
  • Pentagon(5l): Indicates that the snap is loose on a Face;
  • Diamond(4l): Indicates that the snap is loose on an Edge;
  • Triangle(3l): Indicates that the snap is on a well-defined point.

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Updates: - `Closest` option has been brought back (and it's the default one as it works well with Scale and Rotate). - New design for the snapping symbol ![GIF](/attachments/12a10af7-d223-4b49-a315-555c3baba56a) For the design I considered what was mentioned in [devtalk](https://devtalk.blender.org/t/snapping-precision-modeling-improvements-new-defaults-snap-icons-and-removals/29985). The design mixes two solutions. Symbols and icons. The choice of icons followed the logic: - Circle(∞l): indicates that the snap is loose in space (Snap to Volume, Multiple snap points added or the Undefined Base Snap); - Pentagon(5l): Indicates that the snap is loose on a Face; - Diamond(4l): Indicates that the snap is loose on an Edge; - Triangle(3l): Indicates that the snap is on a well-defined point. @blender-bot package
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And another change: rename "Mix" to "Multi" when enabling more than one type of snap.

"Multi" is a more direct name that indicates that more than one option is being enabled, while "Mix" implies that the enabled options are creating a mixed type of snap.

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And another change: rename "Mix" to "Multi" when enabling more than one type of snap. "Multi" is a more direct name that indicates that more than one option is being enabled, while "Mix" implies that the enabled options are creating a mixed type of snap. @blender-bot package
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos commented 2023-06-23 12:09:32 +02:00
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Really like where this is going now, the pictogram icons and the snap indicators overlays really add to the experience.
Curve snapping is now working as intended, and Closest snap is back.

I seen now that the snap source icon is no longer a dedicated shape, but takes on the shape type of the type of snapped geometry.

I really like them and I'd certainly keep them on, but I can see it how some will find them too obtrusive. Risking aggravating the excess of options maybe make them optional as a preference, or a toggle in the 3D View overlay perhaps.

In my display they are considerably smaller that your screen capture, they are hard to see because of size and occlusion from the transform cursor. If possible maybe make them scale along with the Interface > Resolution Scale preference.

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Regarding the shapes, I like how you've set up a "hierarchy" based on the constrained degrees of freedom, but maybe we can make some improvements. Some shapes are hard to distinguish (pentagon and circle become the same at small scale), and may feel out of place. Id suggest something like:

Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_03DOF.png 3 DOF - No snap set, volume snap

Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_02DOF.png 2 DOF - Snap to face (square is vaguely reminiscent of a face)

Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_01DOF.png 1 DOF - Snap to an Edge

Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_00DOF.png 0 DOF - Snap to a point (Center, Vertex, Empty, X marks the spot)

Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_Source.png Snap source - Optionally, when the base point snap is defined and the transform operation starts, use this icon to show the base point different from the rest.

Really like where this is going now, the pictogram icons and the snap indicators overlays really add to the experience. Curve snapping is now working as intended, and _Closest_ snap is back. I seen now that the snap source icon is no longer a dedicated shape, but takes on the shape type of the type of snapped geometry. I really like them and I'd certainly keep them on, but I can see it how some will find them too obtrusive. Risking aggravating the excess of options maybe make them optional as a preference, or a toggle in the 3D View overlay perhaps. In my display they are considerably smaller that your screen capture, they are hard to see because of size and occlusion from the transform cursor. If possible maybe make them scale along with the _Interface > Resolution Scale_ preference. ![67.png](/attachments/697bebc6-8ee0-4680-b965-b0bd5125be17) Regarding the shapes, I like how you've set up a "hierarchy" based on the constrained degrees of freedom, but maybe we can make some improvements. Some shapes are hard to distinguish (pentagon and circle become the same at small scale), and may feel out of place. Id suggest something like: ![Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_03DOF.png](/attachments/7ef7c568-ece6-4526-ab3b-0025a384af3a) 3 DOF - No snap set, volume snap ![Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_02DOF.png](/attachments/87e05a76-4908-4423-a595-d118c5741af2) 2 DOF - Snap to face (square is vaguely reminiscent of a face) ![Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_01DOF.png](/attachments/6e859d59-e324-4785-be2c-aa0e957afbe2) 1 DOF - Snap to an Edge ![Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_00DOF.png](/attachments/bb0201a9-5cdf-4b30-b5b5-e7beb412fb0f) 0 DOF - Snap to a point (Center, Vertex, Empty, X marks the spot) ![Blender_SnapIcons_Snap_Source.png](/attachments/7b7a50e7-994d-4b8a-9069-44c76c1cc386) Snap source - Optionally, when the base point snap is defined and the transform operation starts, use this icon to show the base point different from the rest.
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Duarte Farrajota Ramos commented 2023-06-23 12:20:42 +02:00
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One other thing regarding Navigate during Transform.

It works pretty well so far. In my personal keymap I use a custom Right-Click-Drag to rotate view (orbit).
I had to change all context menu entries to Click (instead of default Press to avoid conflict).

I've also changed View 3D Transform Modal > Cancel from Right-Mouse Press to Right-Mouse Click but could get my custom keymap to work during transform.

It is fine as it is, not really a major concern but I was wondering if it is supported at all, or is it just an accepted limitation of the system.

Should I have added a new entry for my custom Right-Click-Drag anywhere else? I couldn't figure out where.

One other thing regarding Navigate during Transform. It works pretty well so far. In my personal keymap I use a custom <kbd>Right-Click-Drag</kbd> to rotate view (orbit). I had to change all context menu entries to _Click_ (instead of default _Press_ to avoid conflict). I've also changed _View 3D Transform Modal > Cancel_ from <kbd>Right-Mouse Press</kbd> to <kbd>Right-Mouse Click</kbd> but could get my custom keymap to work during transform. It is fine as it is, not really a major concern but I was wondering if it is supported at all, or is it just an accepted limitation of the system. Should I have added a new entry for my custom <kbd>Right-Click-Drag</kbd> anywhere else? I couldn't figure out where.
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Thanks for the mockup @DuarteRamos, I liked the suggestion.

I was thinking about something like this:

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Notice that the Snap to Edge symbol aligns with the Edge. Center and Perpendicular too.

But I need to test every idea.

Thanks for the mockup @DuarteRamos, I liked the suggestion. I was thinking about something like this: ![image](/attachments/5f924d94-2a11-424e-a923-226582ac83b5) Notice that the Snap to Edge symbol aligns with the Edge. Center and Perpendicular too. But I need to test every idea.
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Those do look better, especially the edge snap one, I really wasn't a fan of mine.

Will it line up parallel with the edge it is snapping to? Sounds hard to achieve but If it did it would look great.

Those do look better, especially the edge snap one, I really wasn't a fan of mine. Will it line up parallel with the edge it is snapping to? Sounds hard to achieve but If it did it would look great.
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In the end, after a discussion in PM, the symbols returned to the initial proposal (with some minor changes):

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Note that there is a distinction between snap for Loose Points and Edge Points (Endpoints)

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In the end, after a discussion in PM, the symbols returned to the initial proposal (with some minor changes): ![GIF](/attachments/740b54c6-6643-46d9-9865-f51db1b95320) Note that there is a distinction between snap for Loose Points and Edge Points (Endpoints) @blender-bot package
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